tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18600181.post7551098259376737199..comments2024-03-22T00:51:38.986-07:00Comments on Islam in Europe: France: Imam arrested for illegal marriagesEstherhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06697128144253268996noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18600181.post-33583696992877450892008-10-28T07:19:00.000-07:002008-10-28T07:19:00.000-07:00Jdamn13,I've asked you before, please tone it down...Jdamn13,<BR/><BR/>I've asked you before, please tone it down.Estherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06697128144253268996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18600181.post-75279784672293382732008-10-25T05:02:00.000-07:002008-10-25T05:02:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18600181.post-67452879617801218772008-10-23T02:56:00.000-07:002008-10-23T02:56:00.000-07:00Joachim Martillo,Theoretically you're right, and I...Joachim Martillo,<BR/><BR/>Theoretically you're right, and I'm sure you know your stuff when it comes to the theory, but in practice Islamic and Judaic concepts of marriage are very much different. Luckily, we live in the practical world. A Jewish woman might be theoretically 'bought' in marriage, but in practice, she isn't. Her parents don't think they're selling her off, the husband doesn't think he's buying her and she doesn't feel she's property. A Muslim woman must have her male 'guardian' sign the contract selling her off. In fact, I understand the woman doesn't even need to be there.<BR/><BR/>I don't claim that everything perfect with Jewish legal law, but I'm not sure how you compare it to Muslim legal law.<BR/><BR/>I agree with Joe Six-Pack here and you calling him names only denigrates you. You did say you're a scholar? <BR/><BR/>The issue in this story is that the imam was conducting marriage ceremonies without the couple having gone through a civil marriage first. The French authorities want to prevent polygamy and ensure that the woman's rights are protected and therefore require that civil marriage be done before any religious ceremony. As far as I know this is the case in Europe and in other Western countries. <BR/><BR/>I see you used the opportunity well to get another dig at Jews - you are right, Jews have done great harm to other Jews throughout history because their hatred to each other made them go crazy. I'm sure you can empathize with that, since every comment you make on this blog is so full of such hatred.Estherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06697128144253268996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18600181.post-26404774607068948502008-10-23T02:39:00.000-07:002008-10-23T02:39:00.000-07:00Despite joe six-pack's ignorant and probably Zioni...Despite joe six-pack's ignorant and probably Zionist-inspired bigoted beliefs, Islamic and Judaic concepts of marriage are practically identical, and an imam is no more needed to perform an Islamic marriage than a Rabbi is needed to perform a Jewish marriage.<BR/><BR/>Technically speaking an Imam is comparable to a shaliah tzibur but is nowadays used in Western countries to refer to the director of an Islamic center or mosque. A rabbi is more comparable to a mufti, to a qadi, or to an alim in countries like Egypt where there is an official certification of ulama comparable to smikhah.<BR/><BR/>BTW, a priest could also perform a marriage without a state license, and as far as I know France like the USA does not require that the religious marriage and the civil marriage take place simultaneously.<BR/><BR/>There is some sort of obscure subtext to this story that relates to an intracommunal dispute that has not been fully elucidated. It reminds of the early 19th century disputes between hasidim and misnagdim in Russia. Often one group tried to get the leaders of the other group thrown in jail.Joachim Martillohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00121944171459090792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18600181.post-56913218113044609472008-10-22T13:21:00.000-07:002008-10-22T13:21:00.000-07:00I would guess that these marriages were legal in t...I would guess that these marriages were legal in the eyes of Islam. The Islamic legal system is VERY different from everyone else's.joe six-packhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09712147932436398237noreply@blogger.com