London: First halal McDonald's

Muslims flocked to a McDonalds restaurant in London yesterday for their first taste of halal chicken nuggets.

The fast food giant is putting several halal products on trial for a month at its Southall branch to see if it is feasible to introduce them in Britain.

Meat only qualifies as halal, an Arabic term meaning permissible, if the animal is blessed in the name of Allah then slaughtered facing Mecca. A company spokesman said: "The product cannot have come into contact with non-halal products so there are logistical issues. We hope to see if it is possible for us to do."

McDonalds says British Muslims have been pleading with them to introduce halal meals here for years.

Sales doubled when two McDonalds restaurants in Melbourne, Australia, began serving halal fast-food meals last December, despite initial protests by non-Muslims.

When halal chicken went on sale in Detroit last September, Muslims travelled there from as far away as New York to sample it.

Source: Daily Express (English)

112 comments:

John Sobieski said...

Stupid is as stupid does. Uhhh...where's the animal rights fanatics? They have to be aware that halal butchery is barbaric compared to modern slaughterhouses. Oh, that's right, this is Muslims. 'they are our allies against the West' The useful idiots are everywhere.

Anonymous said...

halal butchery is barbaric?
How do you compare it to Jewish Shechita

reading the first quote is enough so I will put it here: Shechita (Hebrew:שחיטה) is the ritual slaughter of animals, as prescribed for slaughter of mammals and birds according to Jewish dietary laws.[1] The act is performed by drawing a very sharp knife across the animal's throat and allowing the blood to drain out. Islamic dietary laws requires a similar procedure.

Anonymous said...

Yes it is barbaric Kaled.

So is the Jewish method but tell me where the Kosher McDonalds is then???

Another case of dhimmitude by stupid left wing, muslim apologists.

On the positive side muslims buying halal McDonalds are unwittingly contributing valuable tax dollars to the war effort on terroism.

Esther said...

Hi John, Khaled and Jamie,

There are a few issues here:
1. As Khaled says, both Muslim and Jewish butchery are considered more humane by those who practice them. If I understand correctly, both religions have rules on how to kill the animal in a way that will lessen the physical and mental pain.

2. As John says, animal rights fanatics see both types of butchery as barbaric. No reason they shouldn't show up at McDonald's to protest. On the other hand, John, don't assume they see modern slaughterhouses as non-barbaric. I have seen animal rights organization reports about throughly "modern" slaughterhouses.

3. Jamie - there's a kosher McDonald's in Israel. Even the non-kosher McDonald's in Israel use kosher meat. There are non kosher due to other religious issues such as the mixing of meat and milk (they do serve cheeseburgers).

When it comes to discussions about religious slaughter, I think the only people who can come complaining about others being inhumane are those who abstain from eating meat. If you think "your version" of slaughter is humane compared to others (no matter what it is), I'm guessing you haven't visited your neighborhood slaughterhouse recently.

And on that issue, see the Belgian "shock" at the "inhumanness" of Muslim slaughter, when this is the country leading the charts in the eating of foie gras. It's very easy to be upset at the inhumanness of others and then go home and eat your steak.

Anonymous said...

Why the emphasis and paranoia about catering to the muslims.
Guess there's no "When in Rome" with them.
Just more proof wherever they go they want to colonize, not emigrate.

Anonymous said...

anonymous your an idiot apololigist

Anonymous said...

Anyone who believes religious slaughter is more humane is living in cloud cuckoo land. look at the video to see the reality of religious slaughter.

http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=agri_short

Anonymous said...

Your all a bunch of pricks! get over it and get on with your lives! sado's!

Anonymous said...

Expel them. There is no other answer,. There can be no dialogue. Do to them what they do to us. Do not let them into our countries.

Anonymous said...

Halal butchery is far from barbaric. Modern Slaughterhouses snap the neck of the Chicken, while the nerves to the spine are still conncected. In halal buthery, the neck is cut, then the blood is let to drain. This method prevents disease, and seversn any nerve conncections, making it less painful.

The smartest comment so far is by esther. Not you Sobieski, a mentally deprived child.

Therefore, any asshole that thinks otherwise, such as Sobieski, is wrong, and m

Anonymous said...

Halal butchery is exactly that. Butchery. Chickens have got a scrawny neck so it is easy to cut. What happens when it is a sheep of a cow that has to be slaughtered. Butchery. Look at the video. Anyone who claims religious slaughter is not cruel is very naieve or ignorant.

http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=agri_short

Anonymous said...

'Expel them. There is no other answer,. There can be no dialogue. Do to them what they do to us. Do not let them into our countries.'

Too true. Do that and we can spend less time visiting this blog and doing more productive things.

Anonymous said...

As with those cheesy 'ramadan' cards (a pointless month of fasting that too obviously does zilch for moslem spirituality), commercialising 'values' with items as unnecessary as 'halal' burgers will gradually undermine the nonsense that is islam.

Ugly plastic McDonalds..and utterly ugly plastic islam. A perfect match!

Anonymous said...

GREAT IDEA
MASHallah
I see the people like john hating as per usual!
GLAD TO SEE THEM CATERING FOR US

Anonymous said...

Wow the right wing fanatics must be hating this, I hate the way they embarrass our nation.


George.

Anonymous said...

a very amusing comments session! probably a reflection of society today... complete with all the ignorant lunatics (various anaon commenters)and the rational intelligent modern thinkers (esther) each to their own method of slaughter - each will argue theirs is more humane than others but a life is being lost nevertheless - but surely we're not wasting time over mcdonalds?? as if they havent dictated enough of our lives already!

naz786 said...

This guy John Sobieski is pure jelouse get over it.
I would be to if I was'nt a (happy)muslim.
our religion is one of the most influential in the work thats why hundereds of people convert every day.
as for the whole McDonalds issue it's business theirs a big population of muslims in londone so McDonalds want to cash in so build a f****** brindge and get over it saddo.

Anonymous said...

This is so ridiculus... all this palava over ONE HALAL mcdonalds in LONDON... whats the big deal, you should be all thinking about all those people suffering in those war torn countries such as Iraq... rather then going on about CHICKEN! All religions have different ways of doing things so just have respect.

Us Muslims do not go on about how many NON-Halal this and that there is, so stop fighting the ONE HALAL RESTAURANT available to Muslims.

Use your time for better things, like preventing a War on iraq!

Esther said...

Hi anonymous,

I agree, it is ridiculous. But then, so is killing people over cartoons published in a Danish newspaper.

I think Muslims go on quite a lot about many non-halal things, and they do it quite violently. It is the fear from such violence that causes such a ruckus over one McDonald's.

Anonymous said...

Hi everyone,
I think the most interesting and Comment here is Jamie's.
This is not because of all his Anti- Islam jargon but for his final and only sensible point made. This was because he said:

"muslims buying halal McDonalds are unwittingly contributing valuable tax dollars to the war effort on terroism."
I know this is true and this so called war on terror is obviously directed against Muslims. And a large % of McDonalds' takings go to projects such as
*Building new settlements in OCCUPIED Palastine (falsely known as the Bully, self-imposed 'State of Israel'.
*Starting illegal wars and funding war criminals like Bush and his predecessors.- American Foreign Policies.

I will use this msg space to URGE ALL MUSLIMS to stay away from McDonalds!!! as this is obviously a way to attract those Muslims that don't already know the truth about how they conduct business.

To all sincere people muslims and non-muslims alike, I seriously advise that you chase up and disprove any of what I have mentioned (preferably before getting your next McDonalds meal).
Therefore I see no point of

Anonymous said...

OMG I can't believe how ignorant you so called muslims are. The Real barbaric way is the western way in which the animals are electrocuted 'till they die. Now imagine how much pain the animal goes through, that's immoral.
However the Islamic way you slaughter the animal alive but when you cut off it's head, it doesn't feel pain as it chops the nerves off as well. Now all you people who think it's barbaric, sort your facts out you twats!!

Anonymous said...

Ritual slaughter should be left in the prehistoric age where it belongs. All this talk about the animal dying without pain is the same as the fox hunters who claimed the fox died instantly. It is absolute b*****ks.

Anonymous said...

Wow all this over a maccy d's. end of the day its business and thats the only reason why macdonalds are doing it, to increase their market share. they have no morals or principles about this matter.

So all this about muslims do this and muslims do that is just pure idiocy. Unless your an atheist then you have no say on others rituals as you will be biased towards your own religion, of which im sure are culpable for things which are despised by opposing cultures and religions.

A point to note. if you enjoy an indian curry at a restuarant then remember this, more often than not the meat is halal. guess you better get stocking up on those spices.

Anonymous said...

i think all you guys are being dumb. muslims always come out on top its just the way it is. Jews.... you had youre chance but you had to be GREEDY ! sit back and enjoy the ride!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

I'm glad some of us know about the Islamic way to slaughter animals. It's painless compared to the western way, were the animal is stunned and feels the pain.In the Islamic way, it's a clean cut and the animal feels no pain and therefore doesn't suffer.and no am not talking out of my ass, there is a study proving this. anyway we're meant to eat meat, thats why we have a higher IQ than them.

Anonymous said...

while all of u argue over this, i'v only got 1 thing 2 say mmmmmm halal Mcdonalds!!

Anonymous said...

Yes you are talking out of your ass. Ritual slaughter is not painless. It is cruel. It is barbaric. It is medieval. I can show that ritual slaughter is barbaric. Just look at this video.

http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=agri_short

Anonymous said...

ur all a bunch of f***ing morons.. GET OVER IT! why does it bother all u non muslims so much? let them have their so-called "barbaricly slaughtered meat" just like u have ur "barbarically electrocuted meat".. u guys eat anything regardless of where its been, so why the hell do u care as long as its dead! if u so f***ing bothered about the animals poor feelings just become a retarded vegetarian.

and for gods sake.. EACH TO HIS OWN.. has nobody heard that saying before? and so what if mcdonalds is introducing this? its not for the love of islam! its just business.. dont be so offended.. islam isnt gona take over the world just becos mr. mcD decided to add a halal menu!.. well not anytime soon anyway.

So, if muslims want to eat at mcdonalds despite it being an american and most probably jewish company.. who CARES! it comes down to personal choice. I LOVE McDONALDS

Anonymous said...

Believe, u lot need to stop hating muslims n being so jealous, just convert isnt it, then u will b chilling.. :P

Anonymous said...

Halal McDonalds is gna taste heavy, no more 2 pound regulr fillet meals.. ;D

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Anonymous said...

Lets just go back to the old days. Why the hell did they stop fox hunting. The fox died within seconds. That is the most humane way for an animal to die. We set a fox on the chickens and it will kill them within seconds. Then we set the dogs on the fox. Fuck all these other barbaric slitting of the throat. Set the dogs on the animal. That's the most humane way to kill. We can charge people to watch and make even more money.

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Esther said...

I ask that all comments please refer to the subject matter. Comments crudely attacking other commentators only reflect badly on your point of view. If "your mother is a whore" is as logical an argument as you can muster for your position, please find another blog to post it.

Anonymous said...

Wikkid stuff.. i am a muslim and i love the fact that i can eat there now! wots wrong with it anyway? some people are sooo fussy!! u guys have the chance to go burger king and kfc so let us eat there!!

Anonymous said...

YE I AGREE, LET US EAT 4M MCD'S.. U NON MUSLIMS JUS WANA ARGUE OVA SUCH SMALL THINGS.. I MEAN , WHY ARGUE.. U GUYS ARE JUST JEALOUS THAT THIS COUNTRY IS NOW CATERING FOR US MUSLIMS .. SO HOW ABOUT TAKE UR JEALOUSY SUMWHERE ELSE..

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Anonymous said...

Why is it so unacceptable for everyone to accept the requirements of a fellow human beings. All over the world there are different people, different cultures, different beliefs, different religions. Why can we not share, why can we not live like friends. End of the day these are the requirements for PEACE in the world. Why fuss on small things and destroy efforts for peace?

Anonymous said...

FUNI HW U CAN SAY AL DIS BWT MUSLIMS OVA DA NET BT U WUDNT EVN DARE SY IT 2 OUR FACE..JUS GOES 2 SHOW HW MANI SAD NEEKS DER R IN DA WORLD..
1. JOHN SOB...
2. SHAITAN SHARON...
U NA U JUS ENVY US REALI...

Anonymous said...

It would be nice if people accepted other people but Islam is a religion for dogmatists who only want their own views enforced.

In malaysia today Lina Joy wants to be recognised as a Christian as she has converted from Islam.
The govt refuses to recognise her conversion. In some countries apostasy from Islam is a criminal offence punishable by death.
Islam sounds more like the Mafia than a religion. It rules by fear.

Anonymous said...

"U NA U JUS ENVY US REALI..."

Bawahhhhaaaa! Envy you?? I don't think so. Hard to envy something you have no respect for. There is no way I would ever be envious of a muslim.

Anonymous said...

The reason people say things 'ova da net' and not in your face is because they fear your violent reaction. Such a peaceful religion, but I'll kill you if you disagree.

Anonymous said...

Ok here is a simple logical answer between having a cut or banging your head with a hammer, if you get a cut on anypart of your body you don't feel pain unles you see the blood that is because you brain reacts to the idea of you being hurt, where as some one who's bangs his head or get electrocuted can feel massive pain at the smae time and you can hear them screaming, so decide by your self which way is less painful.

Anonymous said...

John Sobieski... real proof that stupidity is alive and well. Its clear that he did not bother to find out what halal means and just listens to what fellow idiots think of Muslims!

Anonymous said...

anyone who disliked halal slaughter here in this forum are racists mother fuckers. Put chicken leg in ur arse and then eat it it will be delicious to you. fuck u all who r against halal msdonalds

Anonymous said...

Whatever these Muslim haters “mostly without fathers” are shouting about, the thing is that selling halal food is getting profitable business day by day, and I saw many fucking “white trash” walking in to halal fish and chip shops for food.

By the way McDonald has already pushed their bun in to “white trash” bums by selling halal food. Hurrayyyyyy

Anonymous said...

ok people, halal slaughter is really humane. u make sure the goat or cow or what ever is not looking at the butcher so it does not know it is approaching its death. i mean why make it sufer before it death? then u cut it from the vein . u know the main vein...the one that carries lots of blood? WELL U MAKE SURE THE KNIFE IS EXTREAMLY SHARP and then u cut from that vein so the death of the animal is quick and clean and the animal experiances the leasts amount of pain. what could be more humane? ur making sure there is no pain. halal is pure

so animal luvers, u should agree with halal, dont u want the animals not to experiance pain? we cannot stop the animals from being slaughtered, bcuz ppl need meat, so it might as well be done in a painless halal way!

Anonymous said...

That was the fairy story version that sends you to sleep with an easy conscience.
This is the reality.
Cutting an animals throat and letting it bleed to death is barbaric. If you must eat meat at least stun the animal first.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLpdiHpGVDc

Anonymous said...

all you muslim haters need to get a life! if you got guts come say the shit your saying on the internet directly to a muslim, you cant! not because your scared but because you know your talking out your ass! if you dont like the idea of a halal mcdonalds or halal food then dont eat it, stop eating all the halal fish n chips, stop eating all the halal indian curries! for all you know most of what you eat is halal food! secondly, why do you people always link everything related to muslims with terrorists, just because a few idiots do some terrorist activities and they are muslims does not mean that all muslims are the same and does not mean that islam is bad. islam teaches to respect all religions, unlike your beliefs islam does NOT teach to hate other religions. you call muslims terrorists dont you? then what about george bush and tony blair when they go to afghanistan and iraq and kill billions of innocent people! they are the biggest terrorists. grow up and use your brains, dont just believe everything the media shows you. another example i'd like to give you is if 10 christians threw a bomb somewhere does that mean that all christians are terrorists!?!?? think about it. as for the slaughter issue, you can not say that the halal way is painful or not just as you cant say if electrifying is less painful because the truth is that you dont know! so let it be... peace.

Anonymous said...

the main reason you all hate muslims is because islam is the fastest growing and the only true religion. you cant accept the fact that when esa a.s. (jesus) comes back into the world he will live as a muslim. go and check the original bible and you will know that is a fact. our quran told of things that are happening now over 1500 years ago. go read the quran and convert to islam. allahuakbar!!!

Anonymous said...

People,

All I can say is everyone is entitled to their own choice.

So if your a muslim go and enjoy halal McD's. If your not then go and enjoy it anyways.

Chill out peeps!!

Anonymous said...

Stupid is Stupid?

Killing is killing (an animal for food). Whether you slit the throat or electrocute it makes no difference. It is a perfectly normal thing to do for most people in the world.

I wish people would show a little consideration for human beings. They don't seem to get the same attention eg Iraq.

McDonald's process involves the " -stun to stun - method (an electrical shock to knock out the chicken painlessly so that it is unconscious), followed by the kill" which is carried out carried out in a mechanised plant (ie a modern slaughterhouses, not by a human).

Whether McDonalds in Southall is halal or not is debateable. See www.visitsouthall.co.uk/News/NewsDetails.php?recordID=124 article and make up your mind.

PS
Don't waste your time on hate mongers.

Anonymous said...

Secular humanist can't stand anything other themselves...

11 Million people Muslim, Jews and Hindus stood up against the war in Iraq. Secular humanist and Evangelicals stood together for it...

Now that the war is going badly with over 1.2 million dead Iraqis, the secualr humanists and the Evangelicals are blaming Islam, because Jesu told George Bush that there are WMD's in Iraq...

It really always boils down to racism. Humanism is based on survival of the fittest, apparently the Iraqis are showing the Humanists, that they aren't the fittest...

The Iraqis are showing the followers of the Prince of Peace that their Prince has no idea what is in Iraq...

Who are the iraqis?

Answer: Muslims...

Humanism and Christianity have created the culture of no accountability, so only logical people left to blame, when it isn't their fault, are the Muslims...

Anonymous said...

What a joke, now even more sick chickens will be tortured and eaten. Murder is murder. Non meat eating is healthier.(Most studies conclude this and those who are veg and eat right KNOW it)

"Nothing will benefit health and increase the chances for survival of life on earth as the evolution to a vegetarian diet."

- Einstein

Just don't eat any. What if you were a horrified animal destined for slaughter? What would you say then? Stupid religions will always jusify killing of innocent lives with some reason or another. No, it's wrong.

A human who cannot or will not discontinue supporting the insanity is insane himself.

Meditate on peace and harmony..

Terry said...

to John Sobieski you are so ignorant to think Muslims are idiots based purely on where abouts in the world they come from, secondly, halal meat does not even differ in taste to non-halal meat, it may even taste better. Also, animals such as chickens and cows have less nerves in their body than humans so they would feel less pain compared to us, what we comprehend as extreme pain they could just feel a small prick.

Anonymous said...

Anyone who thinks ritual slaughter of animals is anything but cruel inhumae butchery should watch this then before making simplistic comments about animals not feeling pain.


http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=agri_short&Player=wm

Anonymous said...

If PETA ever decides to blow up a McDonald's, I hope it will be this one if for no other reason than irony

Anonymous said...

A special place to eat for cultists. How quaint. And knowing how friendly Muslims are I am sure it will be a cult favorite.

Anonymous said...

First of all id like to say everyone posting violent comments - get a bloody life! Who in hells name wants to sit indoors and argue about halal mcdonalds! It's truly pathethic. Someone mentions muslims being terrorist. HALAL MCDONALDS TO TERRORISTS??? That's even more ridiculous. This may be simple but obviously not known fact to people, but not everyone from one relgion culture or country is the same! U can't generalise that just because one person is a certain way...their entire nation is that way! Let's all stick to ourselves and what we are interested, who cares if someone wants to eat this or that - Let them. It's up to them and their own decision to make.

Anonymous said...

i would like to tell people like john and jamie that people like him who are so narrow minded should make them self more aware to the world out there. the halal way of slaughtering is proved to be the least painful way of killing an animal as it`takes the pain away in an instant and does not put the animal through constant pain as some animals may not die with an instant shock. Where as terrorrists are concerned looke out with your eyes open and see who the terrorrists are; those who have occupied the land of others or those who are fighting to have their land back. please learn how to approach matters rationally and open mindedly boys.

Anonymous said...

halar butchering is not barbaric for all those ignorant people leeving such comments.......the islamic way of slaughter actually takes away the blood using a very sharp knife so the pain cannot flow among the nerves because the blood gushes out....the violent movement of the halal slaughtered animal is not in pain it is just the way the body reacts when it has such blood loss...the modern slaughterhouse tenses the animal like crazy before being electrcuted and with electricity hitting its every nerve before death...isnt that more inhumane??.......so just think twice before u write such comments without knowledge of what you are saying!!!

Anonymous said...

hmm i see some jews have guts to leave commentary stupid sikheds u suk the americans cock u work with them in everything....so peopla keep an eye out for your wallets adn be careful as they may repeat the attacks of 9/11......and cmon u jews dont deny it!!

Anonymous said...

stoopidd kuffman ickle bumbaclartss!! u kno u cant face facts ur all jsu hype on ur keyboards dumb faggots i agree wit naeem and the other huy hu sed each to his own.......why so much beef ova halal macdonalds u greedy pigss u want everything to urself including fast food now.......adn when u need oil y u jus lick the asses of good arabs to take their crude oil......u cheap sleazy bastards have ur very 1 minded views of things i think u need to go use ur head before u think u bad behind ur keyboards........ickle bumbaclartt pussyolezz...

Anonymous said...

john sobieski u like sum of these fucking ppl here are racist, its ppl like u who cause all these wars, free country = free way to kill food which ever way they please and if ur so worrid about how barbaic the way they kill animals is u shud watch the kfc video where they shock the chickens 2 death, u dumbfuck stop cursing other ppl u fat arogants selfish bastard

Anonymous said...

Hello people and peace be upon all of you.

I live in Southall. The funny thing is, this McDonald's isn't actually halal at all despite their false advertising. The method they use to slaughter the birds as detailed on their website is not correct. No muslim should eat there.

For all those that continually insist that the halal method of slaughter is halal are not speaking with any certain scientific knowledge. They are merely articulating their opinion of how they "feel" the animal feels upon slaughter. Any sincere research into the subject would clarify the facts for you. Hey I'll save you the trouble. Here are details of a scientific experient done by Hanover University to compare Halal and western methods of slaughter.
http://www.themodernreligion.com/misc/an/an_slaughter.htm

As for those who hate Islam and Muslims, this is due to your ignorance and lack of understanding. Yes, there are some bad people who claim to be muslim as there are bad people of any other faith. Why did George Bush not "turn the other cheek" as Jesus has instructed him?

My sincere advice to all you haters is to try to learn something about Islam the religion. Read the Quran, and not just the passages on jihad/capital punishment usually promoted in the media out of context.

Once again, my fellow Muslims, Do NOT eat at Southall McDonalds. It is NOT halal.

Salaam. (Peace)

Anonymous said...

My sincere freind i was not just talking about how the animal feels however my findings were off the very well knownn dr zakir naik...........also ppl if u fink that halal butchery is more barbaric than electrecution and vice versa just turn vegetarian or SHUT THE FUCK UP!! and once again STOP studying terrorists and takin quotes from the quran and changing the context.......show the full text and then every1 will see the real picture......maybe when this will begin to happen will people see the peace islam teaches so stop trying to pull apart the muslims because u are only enraging them to commit to acts of terrorism in groups........it is human nature to fight back when pushed into a corner......and jamie the so called war on terrorism is a codename for "the war to expand-the-american influence-into-arab-countries-and-countries which-are-of-american-interest"

the "interest" is the thirst for crude oil......the most precious commodity on earth...

now u racists ore 1 minded people cannot say anything can you.................and erm b4 u think to urself "oh my god this guy is just talking out of opinion...........which tyrant did not have any evidence of saddam hussein posessing weapons of mass destruction AND had no mandate from the UN to invade based on the suspicion of posession of such items?? dong-dong...why its President George [FUCKING] W. Bush who invaded the country based on his opinion of saddam being a tyrant (what a hypocrite.) and was suspicious saddam had weapons but had no proof?? hmm who miyt it be??
well ur riyt u guessed it its mr bush once again whos father also invaded iraq....and another thing u must be aware of is this may be his final stage into making his advance to iran.......he has now surrounded iran with his allied status to russia.........already invaded and installed a puppet government in afghanistan.......invaded an installed a puppet government in iraq..........signed a peace treaty with india.......keeping buisiness with Saudi arabia.........and now the US navy regularly patrol international waters just outside of iranian waters......his next step is porbably to create an attack and frame the iranians.......use his own weapons and claim them to be iranian...or invade without evidence just like iraq since he will be out of office by the coming november 2008...........wel please people read carefully and understand the many points i have made and get back to me......if you wish to discuss this then please ask for my email adress and we can discuss .............byee

iento said...

Erm I didn't real all of the comments here but McD's didn't actually change the way they kill their animals to make it halal. It was already halal aside from saying the name if God as it is killed.

As for where the Kosher McD's they are in Israel and Argentina where the market is.

It's a shame when catering to market forces can be seen as pandering. :(

Anonymous said...

It is not about catering to market forces. It is about breaking the law. The law states that animals should be killed humanely. Whatever people say about halal being humane, respected vets & doctors have stated that the most humane way to kill an animal is to stun it first. Not cut its throat and bleed it to death.
The govt follows the advice of these vets & scientists and makes a humane law. Laws are supposed to apply to everyone but the govt makes an exception to the law for halal and kosher meat.
Utterly pointless piece of legislation. If you make a law it applies to everyone or you do not make a law.

Anonymous said...

but obviously this legislation also contradicts the right to the freedom of worship which is what halal and kosher is part of as a crucial part of their religion. stunning it to death is actually less humane than cutting the throat with a sharp knife as the link mentioned earlier will explain....u think it is less humane just because blood is shed.....but is blood not where most of animal diseases are contained? u shud reconsider your view my freind

Anonymous said...

" 'Expel them. There is no other answer,. There can be no dialogue. Do to them what they do to us. Do not let them into our countries.' " now er where did u and mr bushes hearbreaking yet empty statements go..."these 'people' are cuning ignorant and we need to liberate them...from 'injustice' 'terror' and 'oppression'....we need to bring in democracy...." whoah hold on to democracy for the moment...does 'democracy' allow the expulsion citizens? huh? sort ur self out u faggot...study ISLAM not the wrongdoing so called muslims...if the quran says "kill all those people" it does not mean kill kill kill! show the entire line and will say something lyk "kill all those who opress u and persecute you" sound more lyk now dont it :)

Anonymous said...

eyyy pussyoles hu hate islam..........guess wot i dnt giv a fuk but im gna kill ma animals and get my meat the way i want! which 1 of u ickle pussyolez gona stop me huh? tell me and we organize a face to face no long ting..den we hu got da balls nd hu dont......fink ur so hard armed with keyboards and mice and the anonymity of a computer

Anonymous said...

We live in a secular country where there is separation of the state from religion. We also live in a democracy where the people make the legislation and everyone agrees to abide by it whether they like it or not.
Freedom to worship does not entail cruelty to animals. Govt advisory bodies including the Farm Animal Welfare Council claim that the most humane ways of killing animals is to stun them first. If the govt thinks that the halal or kosher method is more humane they would not have introduced legislation to stun animals. If cutting an animals throat and letting it bleed to death is humane then let all animals be killed by that method.
There should be one law and it should apply to everyone.

Anonymous said...

however freedom to worship although does not have relation to cruelty to animals religion of islam states that every thing a muslim does must be permissable in other words halal.....halal is not just applied for meat and so on. it is defined as permissable and the forbidden are called haraam. what the quran says MUST be obeyed by every muslim....so democracy does allow halal butchering at the moment..the government can say anything but there has been no significant research into this matter...check this and scienctific knowledge shall prove a point:

here is an experiment and its parameters

Experimental Details:

1. Several electrodes were surgically implanted at various points of the skull of all animals, touching the surface of the brain.

2. The animals were allowed to recover for several weeks.

3. Some animals were slaughtered by making a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the neck cutting the jugular veins and carotid Arteries of both sides; as also the trachea and esophagus. This is the Halal Method.

4. Some animals were stunned using a captive bolt pistol humane slaughter by the western method.

5. During the experiment, EEG and ECG were recorded on all animals to record the condition of the brain and heart during the course of slaughter and stunning.



Results and Discussion:

I - Halal Method

1. The first three seconds from the time of Islamic slaughter as recorded on the EEG did not show any change from the graph before slaughter, thus indicating that the animal did not feel any pain during or immediately after the incision.

2. For the following 3 seconds, the EEG recorded a condition of deep sleep - unconsciousness. This is due to a large quantity of blood gushing out from the body.

3. After the above mentioned 6 seconds, the EEG recorded zero level, showing no feeling of pain at all.

4. As the brain message (EEG) dropped to zero level, the heart was still pounding and the body convulsing vigorously (a reflex action of the spinal cord) driving maximum blood from the body: resulting in hygienic meat for the consumer.

II - Western method by C.B.P. Stunning

1. The animals were apparently unconscious soon after stunning.

2. EEG showed severe pain immediately after stunning.

3. The hearts of the animal stunned by C.B.P. stopped beating earlier as compared to those of the animals slaughtered according to the Halal method resulting in the retention of more blood inthe meat. This in turn is unhygienic for the consumer.

(Many thanks to Muslim Students Organization - University of Miami)


And also talking of being humane i do not see the justice of democracy ...moving away from sluaghtering animals...slaughtering humans is going on in iraq and palestine and all over the middle east...you people allow hunting of animals and now have the cheek to contest against a proven humane method of animal slaughter...you people are utterly off the point and ur only findings are from "the government" show us some research which actually compares the 2 methods of slaughter and we can continue from there...peace

Unknown said...

@ naeem
i agree wd u.......................da point is jst stop arguing ovr things wichy r already proven..........v must think abt these inhuman events going on in iraq,palestine,pakistann afghanistan........................

Anonymous said...

This isn't about Muslims going around slaughtering one another in Iraq, Afghanistan, West Bank or Gaza Strip (a.k.a. 'Palestine') or in other places in the so-called Islamic World, based on important disagreements over what Muhammed's favourite colour was or how many times it's acceptable to beat a woman for having the sheer audacity of talking out of place. Nor is it about which method of slaughter is more 'humane' (these are animals we're talking about here). Rather it's about a tiny, deeply resented minority of people (Muslims) potentially (the article talks about - depending on how well the initiative goes down - implementing it across the country) forcing their needs on the majority.

Anonymous said...

Stop your Nazy kind of propaganda against Muslims. Anyboy who stdies Islam well and take their head ot of the mainstream media can see the truth burried under lies and propaganda of the fanatic "L"iberals.

Anonymous said...

I should say many facts about Islam has been introduced to westerners in a manipulated non-complete form. If Islam was not a beautiful religion, 1.5 billion musims would not exist.

Anonymous said...

Religion is a philosophy like any other. Having a belief in god does not excuse it from having an atrocious doctrine. By any stretch of the imagination calling for the flogging & stoning of women, the amputation of peoples hands and killing apostates is no different from nazi & fascist doctrine. Even Mussolini did not go that far. Islam is fascist and Allah or Muhammad is their fuhrer.

Anonymous said...

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH NAEEM. AND ONE THING I DONT UNDERSTAND IS WHY IS THERE SO MUCH FUSS ON HOW MUCH PAIN THERE IS TO AN ANIMAL? I MEAN I TRULY APPRECIATE ANIMALS AND THINK THEY SHOULD BE TREATED THE SAME WAY AS US BUT IF THEY ARE ABOU TO DIE, DOES IT MATTER ON HOW MUCH OAIN THEY SUFFER? BECAUSE ONCE DEAD, IT WONT COUNT AND ALL THE MEMORIES ARE ALREADY FORGOTTEN. SO STOP ARGUING ON HOW BARBARIC MUSLIM OR WESTERN SLAUGHTERING IS. MAKE LOVE IN THE WORLD, NOT WAR. IMAGINE HOW RIDICULOUS IT WOULD BE IF OUR FUTURE GENERATION WAS SUFFERING FROM WAR AND GENOCIDES ORIGINATING FROM SUCH A SMALL THING AS SLAUGHTERING CHICKEN!!! AND LEARN TO APPRECIATE OTHER CULTURES AND RELIGIONS.

Anonymous said...

i dont understand why if people who have dietary restrictions such as an allergy to peanuts can be served acordingly but muslims cant be served halal food. how ridiculous, whether you are a western or a muslim! and how shameful it is to know that us humans, who are brothers and sisters to each other in some sort of a way are fighting. so sad...

Anonymous said...

The Islamic method of slaughtering animals, known as Zabiha has been the object of much criticism from a large number of people.

The blood has to be drained completely before the head is removed. The purpose is to drain out most of the blood which would serve as a good culture medium for micro organisms. The spinal cord must not be cut because the nerve fibres to the heart could be damaged during the process causing cardiac arrest, stagnating the blood in the blood vessels.

2. Blood is a good media of germs, bacteria and other toxins. Therefore the Muslim way of slaughtering is more hygienic as most of the blood containing germs, bacteria, toxins, etc. that are the cause of several diseases are eliminated.

3. Meat remains fresh for a longer time - Meat slaughtered by Islamic way remains fresh for a longer time due to deficiency of blood in the meat as compared to other methods of slaughtering.

4. Animal does not feel pain - The swift cutting of vessels of the neck disconnects the flow of blood to the nerve of the brain responsible for pain. Thus the animal does not feel pain. While dying, the animal struggles, writhers, shakes and kicks, not due to pain, but due to the contraction and relaxation of the muscles defecient in blood and due to the flow of blood out of the body.

by: Zakir Naik
web site url: www.irf.net

Anonymous said...

I can't believe some of the ignorant comments on here. How can anyone be so callous about animals. If people are callous towards animals they will be callous to humans they believe are sub-human because they do not follow the same faith. This has happened in Islam where non-muslims were treated like jews in germany or blacks in South Africa.
If anyone believes animals do not feel pain then look at the video below.


http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=agri_short&Player=wm

Anonymous said...

by watching too much of the television it has made britain the fattest nation in europe...now i see that the governments have aknowledged this and taken advantage of it by feeding u the bulshitted stories of atrocities committed by people who are supposedly "muslims"...the consequence of this is that ignorant people now think muslims are barbaric...also peple here claim muslims kill each other in Iraq...but which "great" nation invaded Iraq thinking they will change the world forever and justified it over a minor suspicion that saddam had WMD's...the slaughter of a human is belived to be the same sin as slaughter of mankind...and saving a human has the great reward of saving mankind...now humans are being slaughtered u dont really care...u only care about ur maccy d's ryt?...nd obviously because the word halal brings up the idea of "barbaric" islam...this is why u have so much protest...did u ever give a shit to how the chicken was born, how it lived and how it died before u ate it?...and yet those animal rights campaigners...why are u only complaining against halal butchering?...please if u wish to make a judgement on my religion then study it the real way with no outside influences...dont judge a book by its cover...once you have done this then come back on here then give your views...islam is a beautiful religion...some of you are just a bit too ignorant to actually understand it and appreciate it...your just too busy finding the shortcut...dont base your views on people who hav misunderstood the religion or have been indoctrinated by people with a political motive not a religous one...corrupted people in the missle east and so on have caused o much havoc and you, yes YOU the IgnoranT peoples are the victims of propaganda...nowhere in the quran does it say "massacre 4000 people with chemical weapons."...neither does it say "chop off the hands of those who litter...stand up speak up with real facts...stop talking out of your ass...1.5 Billion followers arent wrong...similar religions like judaism also follow a similar procedure for animal slaughter...are you trying to say 2 religions are wrong now?

Anonymous said...

i think the all non muslims are getting jealoused so what we got it halal it doesn't mean were idiots or anything i think joh is the stupid one anyway those muslims have been protesting for years if the non muslims don't want to eat them food which is halal then don't eat it the non muslims think if the meat is halal we will be poisened don't worry they havn't put poison in it and john you are the idiot we aren't you just one of those people who go saying "oh look mcdonalds are going halal muslims are like soo stupid" but you don't know that you are stupid yourslef so stick with it

Anonymous said...

"are you trying to say 2 religions are wrong now?"

Not just two religions are wrong. There can only be one religion that is right so there must be hundreds if not thousands of religions that are wrong.
I thought we had done away with this idea of a god dictating to us. We live in a secular and democratic country. It is the people make the rules. Not god. If the people decide that cutting an animals throat and letting it bleed to death is cruel then that is the law and that is what people have to abide by. That is democracy. People who live in democracies should abide by their laws.

Anonymous said...

its funny...i didnt realise how narrow-minded people really are...!!!...arguing over religion...!!

Anonymous said...

Islam is not a religion. Islam's aim is to impose its belief on everyone. Islam is no different from a political party. The object of Islam is to impose Sharia law. Sharia law is a fascist law that has flogging people and cutting off hands as part of its programme. If you think Islam is merely a religion that just believes in a different god then you are way off beam.

Unknown said...

this whole debate about islam taking over the world is pointless. macdonalds saw a way of maximising its profits and will follow through with it. i mean there no point in opening a beachwear shop in the northpole nothing to do with religion. its a basic supply and demand concept. its called free market economics... i suggest you do some reading on the work of adam smith. for example if you stay on the topic of food. supermarkets in dubai sell pork despite the fact that most of the local population is muslim and hence dont eat pork. but for people who are not muslim but live and work in dubai, they supply it because they can make money by selling it. hope this is not to difficult a concept for the idiots out there

Anonymous said...

Multinationals are in it for the money and would do practically anything to make a buck. That is why govt is there to impose restraints on multinationals.
If the govt does not maintain the rule of law and apply it to everyone equally then the govt is abusing its position.
Halal meat is illegal. The govt passed a bill stating that all animals should be stunned first to prevent suffering. Cutting an animals throat and letting it bleed to death creates suffering.
Halal meat has exempted muslims from abiding by the law of the land and by making an exemption to a law on relgious grounds damages society. It opens up the doors for others to flout the law by claiming religious belief.
Smoking hash, walking around naked, having sex in the open could be claimed ro bes part of a persons religious belief.
Making allowances on religious grounds makes a mockery of the law. Either every abbatoir should be allowed to cut an animals thoat and let it bleed to death or no-one should.

Anonymous said...

I am shocked and angry that MacDonald has started to serve Halal Food for Muslims. Why Western world has to please and serve these CUlt people? Would any Muslim country make a provision for their food i.e.pork???

Anonymous said...

Muslims make such a big deal of HALAL FOOD, claiming it is not allowed in Islam to eat Non.Halah food. However, I have so many Muslim friends at work who on Friday night come with us and DRINK like fish! But would not eat..non-halal food! Muslims Bloody Hypocrates.

Anonymous said...

I'm not going to eat at MacDonald's anymore...

Anonymous said...

"u are only enraging them to commit to acts of terrorism in groups........"

Terrorists are responsible for their own actions!

Anonymous said...

"and I saw many fucking “white trash” walking in to halal fish and chip shops for food.

By the way McDonald has already pushed their bun in to “white trash” bums by selling halal food. Hurrayyyyyy"

"white-trash"? Tsk-tsk!
Don't you mind living among "trash"? How amazing!

Anonymous said...

The secular law is equal for everybody and so it should remain. If you don't like it, you can go and live in a country that suits you. If we are going to challenge the secular law, be aware, Christians can too make claims: Jesus: "I am the way."

Anonymous said...

Does anybody knows how an animal is slaughter in ISLAM?
Let me tell you as I am an ex.Muslim! They cut the neck slightly, and then let the blood flow...TILL the poor animal dis! What a FUCKING CRUEL WAY TO KILL AN ANIMAL! but then again what you expect from these animals?

Anonymous said...

I agree with the above writer Moore! Well said!!!

Anonymous said...

i must say, i am ashamed at a few people who have posted there comments here.
anyone who reads this will only identify how much of an ignorant,uneducated and chavvy nation our country is.
before all the events that occured since 9/11, everyone was able to coincide with one another in almost perfect harmony.
its not like everyone here was born and brought up to hate islam,the truth is that the media managed to brainwash people all over the world in thinking what they do and being able to make such indignifying remarks.

halal food is not poison,its normal food that non-muslims might eat without realising everyday which is only slaughtered in a less painful and faster method.
this blog as not been put up so that people can express their comments on how barbaric this method may or may not be.
the subject matter for mcdonalds is that they are expanding when attracting customers from a wider market. this is not only beneficial for the business itself, but also for those muslims who will now be able to enjoy mcdonalds products together with every other customer -muslim or non-muslim.
we are all in this world together,all these comments about barbaric this and barbaric that, take a step back and look at yourselves..who is being barbaric?
the most respected of people are those who are eductated and speak sense.
keep the peace people, and dont let ignorance rule your lives. we must open our eyes now as this is the time to stick together the most.

Anonymous said...

Before 9/11 I knew nothing about Islam and cared even less. 9/11 has opened my eyes. I have read the koran and the hadiths and I find Islam to be a brutal, dictatorial religion founded on a man who makes Hitler look like a boy scout. Muhammad murdered, assassinated, plundered, raped and traded in slaves. It is not possible to base an ideology on a megalomaniac. Unless you are a nazi.
Anyone who thinks halal food is not harmful should watch the following.

http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=agri_short

Mohammad Masud said...

I'm a Muslim. I don't wanna say that animals don't get hurt when you slaughter them in halal way. They get hurt in any way you slaughter them. And wanna be retarded vegetarian? Plants are living things and they also get hurt when pull them off or cut into pieces. What do you think now..should we stop eating? we need to understand the reality and live with that. Fighting to show your way as supreme is only proves you bad.

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Esther said...

Hi T,

This comment is deleted for foul language.

Muhammed never assassinated anyone? I suppose you make a distinction between general killing and pillaging and 'assassination'?

Subuk Chandi said...

I am a Muslim...I eat Mcdonald in London i had a chiken big mac...it was tasty nice...my jewish friend paid for it...and my christian friend made it for me...I am muslim and being one the only true message my religion says which most of the muslims ignore is there is nothing important in life then humans and respect and love them all...do not let religion cast or color came between you...even most of the religion says that...its not an argument of muslims are terrorist...then i would say where were there all that time when u guys busy in building ur countries..lol and getting america in power...they dont hate america or love america its just every one has there own perspective...war and vilonce is not the solution for anything i personally beleive it will just build more hatered anyone here who have sense tell me if all muslim died from this plannet earth will this earth will be free from devil..? like lol i don't think so...there are good and bad people in all religion so does in muslims and all others...its just the matter of time...and we do not have to make such a quick thought about things and stick to it and say we are right we need to give time to thinks i being in london and i look around these christian i would say they are such a nice people cheers to them much civilized and very friendly...infact helpful...i walk on the street of london and i saw a jewish guy walking on the footpath and followed by a Christian girl in skirt and then a muslim and hindu...no body is bothered...i believe this is more like a political war then a religious war...same people were team in past when war against russia now they are enemy...its just something you can only understand when ur own house is on fire...or ur own brother got shot...this is something very rare...but true...but importantly those people who make such policies never die...they live a luxourious life...its just us normal people everywhere we were just fighting for nothing they make all money we eat all shit lol hahha they say Christian are best jesus is cool...muslims says no Muhammad is cool he is the best islam is the best lol but those messengers never said anything like that they just says peace love each other as who u are... Its easy to say muslims are terrorist simple! you just said 1 third of the world population childrens womens mens are terrifying the world lol hahah its funny its not true... u have to understand the person who abused someone or kill someone is not a nice person and religion or country got nothing to do with it i read in news a (christian) man killed a 14 year old girl. they never mention he was a Christian lol but in the next news trust me they mentioned muslim terrorist...dont eat the grass that the media grow they truely now have started to think of us as sheep and they made us eat and we believe...Muslims are just muslims and all relegion in the world is innocent god is innocent after all its just man made stuff and remember you may not belive in my god but we have the same bad devil in all relegions :) so muslims eat mc donald if u like too dont eat if u dont like too...and all other people eat halal or dont eat halal it is still your choice but love all human and live and let live and smile have fun! after all i dont want to waste my life or time or thought just to hate somebody because of its religion lol comon sense take care...

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shaz said...

directed to James Jones:
Don't you start calling Muslims hypocrites!! just coz your work colleagues drink, you should know that drinking is AGAINST Islam it is Haram and not Halal so whosoever does that is harming themselves and not following Islam!

Subuk Chandi said...

I am not calling anyone anything...with respect to the topic...the Halal McDonalds...i prefer to stick to it...Tell me where in Quran does it mentioned that we cannot eat food made by Chiristian or Hindus or Jewish...All it says don't eat pork and several other types of animals canimal and other type distinct them...like lizzard snakes...but on the common ground...we muslims are the only enemey of our own state and its true...we used the religion for everything and the worst part is we used it in the name of the religion...for example...a man who server halal food he is a muslim resturant owner in UK he drinks wine...but he only served food HALAL coz all the idiots other muslims can come and enjoy...he have no common sense about halal or haram infact...Prophet said first u be the follower then ask other to follow you...we muslims don't practice our religion first...how could we can ask other people from other religion to follow us...non-muslims atleast do things they are not sure of...or do as they have prescribe in there religion which is one sense is ok...atleast they follow what is given to them...we muslims given the world best religion...and yet we dont follow..I speak for myself...there might be good muslims like you...who are very much concerned about haram and halal...but if you lie to someone and earn that money Islam says that also Haram...or you bribe someone this is all Haram...tell me we muslims don't do that...So thats why i said keep the religion aside until unless u are following it...and you be the follower of it...then you have all the right to prove it to the world...and trust me if you follow it...you won't have to worry about who eats mcdonald or who eats KFC...all u must be thinking about does everyone have the food before they went to bed...does my neighbour had food...what about the childrens on the street...you must be more concern with people and that is the whole point of this topic...I am not here saying muslims are all good...i don't believe in this ideology...and i live on this earth...But i would say Islam is the best religion in the world it is the truth...but we muslims don't follow it...so yes we are hypocrites!! and lets talk about Muslims little more...Prophet said Pray in your mosuqe with your collegues...and Pray to Allah with your friends...Muslims mullah says...in UK put a high frequency speaker on a loud voice and sent the message to the universe...so people can hear you and come for mosque for prayers...now who are the idiots! the teaching of Mohammad is simple...pray with your friends and pray in the mosuqe...that is enough for a common man to understand...putting a high volume speaker and make all the noise...will u think will bring people too mosque...if they missed the first message deliver to them by prophet...everything on this earth Allah (GOD) made it in very balanced way...common sense day won't come before nite and nite wont fall before day...everything follow each other in the circle of life...which he made for us...To eat food you don't only need food but you also need a hunger...and hunger can't be bought...it just far more complicated then the scientist themselves...but to be honest with you...we muslims are only worried about the food...what about the hunger...we are worried about the Quran what about the message in it...we are worried about Prophet and Prophet picture...what about Prophet himself and his sayings...we are worried about how to pray then pray...we are all looking into wrong direction...and trust me these Mullahs sitting there in the mosque think that islam is there propertry they have change the religion!!! To know the truth love humans...without the diffrence of Cast and religion...you are no good to anyone if you diffrentiate yourself from others...But this does not say...to be like them...or to follow them...It just mean..they have there own way of doing things...and you have your own way of doing things...but do not fight with them if they don't agree with you...and do not hate them just because they have diffrent believe...Just Love urself first...before taking care of the whole world!

Anonymous said...

I can't beleive my eyes the comments i read about how ruthless it is to sloughter an animal, producing halal meat, to be honest us as british people our favourite meals are SAUSAGE AND EGG or BACON & EGG for brekfast, steak and kidney pies, sirloin steak, loin chops, TREADITIONAL TURKEY, and so on........right my question is where does the meat comes from? dead ANIMAL, animals were killed to produce these meat, so where is the love for the animals gone, where is yhe welfare of the animals, i've got an idea lets all become vegeterians then we would not have so much problem and arguing, and all these fuss about being bad with animals, black, white, brown, chinese they have one thing in common which is humanity and we all have begining and end we all live and die, we all eat and bleed, we all lough and cry, most important thing in this life is to be good with each other respect each other like we all like to be respected there's no superior in human being. lets not forget we all will have an end we all die one day, and face upto the question what did we do in life? PEACE

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Unknown said...

Well even if we get all the migrated muslims out there will still be an issue for our own country men who have converted to Islam like myself.
Not just in the UK , even people from other european nations like Germany [there's a Mosque in Munich that sees 30-40 conversions each week]who come to work/live/holiday in UK will miss the meat.

If the governtment does not want to give democracy and rights to the immigrants in future,I will not be happy but will put up with that. BUT being a citizen of this country I deserve all the rights that my fellow countrymen enjoy irrespective of religion.