Fitna Release Roundup #2

Fitna, The Movie

* LiveLeak has removed Fitna from their server, due to threats, but it's still available on line. It can be found on YouTube, RuTube (Russian) and Viddler. The movie can also be seen in Dutch on the AD news site

* SIAD (Stop Islamiseringen af Danmarks) and Gates of Vienna both have lists where the movie can be seen. Email fitnalink@siad.dk to update the list.

* Both the Danish and Dutch foreign ministers deplored the threats on LiveLeak. (Danish , Dutch)

* Wilders will change his film to prevent lawsuits. Mainly, he will put in the correct picture of Mohammed Bouyeri and remove Westergaard's cartoons of Mohammed with a bomb in his turban. He will also give proper mention to radio host Robbie Muntz, who can be heard in the movie interviewing Van Gogh (Dutch, Dutch)


Muslim World

* Muslim countries condemned the movie (Indonesia, Bangladesh, Iran, and Egypt, among others)

* Friday sermons in Riyadh and Al Azhar (Cairo) did not mention Fitna. (Danish)

* A Saudi publisher, Mudeer, intends to publish 50,000 copies of "Jesus and Islam in the Koran", translated into Dutch and distribute them free. "We send books, not bombs, to the Netherlands," he says. (Dutch)

* Malaysian former Prime minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad calls to boycott Dutch products. (English)

* In Jordan the organization "Allah Unites Us" calls for a boycott of Dutch products. 48 out of 110 parliament members want to break relations with the Netherlands. (Dutch)

* Indonesia: Minister of Social affairs Bachtiar Chamsyah called on organizations nationwide to protest Fitna. Hundreds of students showed up for the protest to demand shutting down sites showing the movie. The Dutch embassy was attacked with eggs by dozens of protesters. (Dutch, Dutch)

* The Iranian terrorist organization Ahwaz Liberation Organization, formerly headed by Dutch-Iranian refugee Abdullah al Mansouri, linked to the movie on the United American Committee site. (Dutch)

* Pakistan: Not everybody got Wilders name right. In one protest the protesters put a sign on a dummy saying "Garret Weldon" (Dutch, +pic)

* Egypt: The Muslim Brotherhood sees the film as a declaration of war. Like many others, they don't need to see the film to decide it mis-portrays Muslims. (Dutch)

* On Friday, the Dutch embassy in Iran explained the movie to Iranian authorities and pointed out that the Dutch authorities asked not to release the film and regretted its publication (Dutch)

* The Consul General of Moroccan spoke to mosque visitors in Amsterdam on Friday, praising their peaceful reactions (Dutch)


Muslim Reactions in the West

* Expatica summarized reactions by Flemish Muslims (English)

* The Contact Organ Muslims and Government organization generally ignored the film. The Dutch Muslim Council thinks that reaction shows it's normal to insult Islam in the Netherlands. (Dutch)

* Radical imam Sheik Fawaz Jneid of the As-Soennah mosque in the Hague says that Wilders did not succeed in insulting Muslims with his movie. He called on Muslims worldwide to keep calm. (Dutch)

* The Arab European League (AEL) put out its own movie, Al Mouftinoun (Dutch, YouTube)

* The Norwegian Islamic Council criticized Fitna and called on Muslim to ignore the movie. (Norwegian)


* Bilal Assaad of the Danish Islamic Society says the movie is pure provocation, saying it judges 1.5 million Muslims based on a few extremists groups. He also worries it will be seen as a Danish movie, due to the Mohammed cartoon featuring in it. (Danish)

* Danish radical Imam Abdul Wahid Pedersen also says the movie is an unneeded provocation. Pedersen did not see the movie. he doesn't think it will get as much attention as the Mohammad cartoons. (Danish)


Political Responses


* After releasing Fitna, a poll shows Wilders 'won' a seat in parliament, bringing his party up to a possible 15 seats, compared with today's 9. (Dutch)
* Expatica summarized reactions by Dutch political parties. (English)

* Dutch Prime minister Balkenende is proud of the Muslim community for their reaction to the movie. He says it's important to debate and name the problematic issues in the integration debate. (Dutch)

* Danish Prime Minster Rasmussen hadn't seen Fitna and since he sees it as "pure provocation" he does not intend to see it. (Danish)

* Dutch Minister of Justice Ernst Ballin called on Eshan Jami not to make his movie about the life of Mohammad. (Dutch)

* Amsterdam mayor Job Cohen visited mosques on Friday and spoke about Fitna. His visit was appreciated by the mosque visitors (Dutch)

* Siv Jensen, Chairman of the Norwegian Progress Party, calls on Norwegian movie makers to prepare their own Islam critical movies (Norwegian)

* The EU and UN condemned Fitna this past Friday. (Dutch)

* Australia: Foreign Minister Stephen Smith says Fitna is an insult to Islam. He says Australia believes in freedom of speech but not int the right to abuse it to promote hatred. (Dutch)

* Belgium increased security measures around Dutch installations. (Dutch)

* Filip Dewinter, head of Vlaams Belang, was very satisfied with the movie, saying it was a non-provocative movie. He wants the debate in Flanders to also discuss the dark sides of Islam. (Dutch)


Miscellaneous

* The Dutch Central Jewish Board says fitna's focus on anti-Jewish preachings was counterproductive and generalizing. (English)

* Danish TV2 will show clips of Fitna, since it can be found on the internet and is of interest to both Danish and European politicians (Danish)


* Geert Wilders didn't show up for the first debate about his film, in a church in Slotervaart, Amsterdam. The place was on high alert for the event. (Dutch)

* For those who want to apologize to the Muslim world, A Dutch site Sorry for the Film offers people the opportunity to upload their picture and thereby show their regret for Fitna. (Dutch)

* Wilders interview by Spiegel Online (English)


See also: Fitna release roundup

20 comments:

Anonymous said...

Great, I just lost my job, my wife left me and the power company cut my electricity off. And now this. Great. Just great.

svenskamerikan said...

It's being reported that LiveLeak has restored 'Fitna' on its site with the following notice

On the 28th of March LiveLeak.com was left with no other choice but to remove the film “fitna” from our servers following serious threats to our staff and their families. Since that time we have worked constantly on upgrading all security measures thus offering better protection for our staff and families. With these measures in place we have decided to once more make this video live on our site. We will not be pressured into censoring material which is legal and within our rules. We apologise for the removal and the delay in getting it back, but when you run a website you don’t consider that some people would be insecure enough to threaten our lives simply because they do not like the content of a video we neither produced nor endorsed but merely hosted

Bravo LiveLeak -

Anonymous said...

Hi, for all of you who believe criticizing Wilders' movie, as I did, is the same as looking for excuses for terrorism, I wondered what you'd make of this:

http://www.nieuwnieuws.nl/archives/images/bin.westergaardwilders.jpg

Made by the guy who made the famous Muhammed-cartoon.

Anonymous said...

Just as the cartoons on Muhammad demonstrated that islam is a violent religion. So the reaction to the Wilders film shows how violent islam is. On youtube now there are clips advocating the killing of Wilders.
Quod erat demonstrandum

Anonymous said...

If you want to use fancy Latin, I'd suggest you first learn the language: Q.E.D. only makes sense if your final statement in a line of reasoning is the one supported by the evidence given before.

More to the point - are you sure that's what the cartoon is supposed to mean? Westergaard has threatened to sue Wilders over his use of the cartoon, and he has said that he doesn't like his ideas much. (Oh, and before you go on your rant about searching for excuses, presuming you are the same anonymous, he also said that nevertheless, Wilders has the right to express himself.)

Esther said...

This cartoon will appear with an interview with Westergaard in a Belgian magazine, to be published tomorrow. The interview took place before Fitna was released, and I'm not sure when the cartoon was drawn.

It is interesting though.. Westergaard is upset at people misusing his cartoon (SIAD, Wilders), and is taking legal steps against them. The discussion about freedom of speech until now focused on feelings (slander, offense, insult), but there is also an issue of a person's right to his work.

What about a person's right not to have his image abused? Does a cartoonist have more rights to his cartoon?

One would say that this is the essence of politics and of drawing cartoons. A cartoonist is allowed to make fun of famous politicians. Are people allowed to take a famous cartoon and use it for their own purposes? Legally, I suppose not. But I think those who defend freedom of speech for their own causes should be careful when they prevent others from using it as well.

svenskamerikan said...

Of course, if you don't care for Wilder's movie, there are plenty of Arab produced videos available over at http://memritv.org/

It's not like Wilders has a monopoly on the Islamic violence video market or anything. The imams have been at this for years, it's just that muslims don't riot over calls of 'Death to the West' or call on the UN to ban hate speech against the West, so I can understand why it may not have come to your attention.

All Wilders has done is bring this out into the sunlight by bypassing the media and government censors that have kept so many ignorant about what is really going on in this wonderful world of ours.

svenskamerikan said...

But for educational value, this one is much more substantial than Fitna.

Islam- What the West Needs to Know

Anonymous said...

"...On youtube now there are clips advocating the killing of Wilders..."

Unimportant to people like sjeord, I'm sure he identifies with them.

I criticised sjeord for saying the INTERNET video Wilders made was "a crime against humanity" or something ridiculous like that.

Forcing women to live in garbage bags while passing it off as part of their "culture" is a crime against humanity. So, enjoy the burkini's; it's what your grand-daughter (if you even bother to pro-create) will be wearing in a matter of 50 years.

Furthermore, sjeord, what is your point? That islam isn't violent?

You realize muhammad was a warlord, correct? You understand he murdered, raped, and sacked the entire Arabian peninsula? You recognise that muhammad married a 6year old and consumated the marriage when she was 9? This is their view of ther perfect man, he was not above violence in any way, shape, or form, so why should they be?

Explained here....
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1725.htm

Of course, these are simply the "extremists" and Islam, which means "submission" is a "religion of peace." We have nothing to worry about, Islam is like all other religions, trust sjeord....

Here is how Hamas teaches their children peacefull muslim ideas. You can tell peace is right around the corner for the Israel and the west....

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1729.htm

-Mike

(happy sjeord, now you know as much about me as I do you)

Anonymous said...

Yet another example of Islamic tolerance. We should be hearing all the "moderates" condemn those who issued the death threats as "anti-islamic" soon enough, I'm just sure of it.....


(IsraelNN.com) Dr. Wafa Sultan has been forced to go into hiding with her family following a fatwa (religious edict) from an Islamic scholar, according to Omedia. Sultan faces the fatwa following a recent debate on Al-Jazeera in which she challenged Egyptian Islamist Talat Rheim over Dutch cartoons of Mohammed, who Muslims revere as a prophet. Sultan argued that Denmark had the right to print the cartoons.

Sultan joins a growing list of public critics of radical Islam facing death threats. Her supporters have asked the American public to join them in writing to the embassy of Qatar, the country which sponsors Al-Jazeera, as well as to United States President George Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, asking them to defend Sultan’s right to free speech and personal safety.


- Mike

Anonymous said...

Hi Mike (thanks for that!),

Like I said before, you are criticizing me for what you THINK I wrote, not for what I actually wrote. I called it a "disservice", which in my mind is not in any way connected to a "crime", I really don't see how you got there, except if you stopped thinking long before you started reading.
Anyway, I think we've both kind of made our points. Just would be grateful if you'd stop attributing points to me that I didn't make.

Except, to get back to the point, I presume you must have liked the previous ones, so what did you think of the new Westergaard cartoon?

Anonymous said...

(By the way, mike, I've done some reading, and before 9/11, the largest number of casualties in a terrorist attack was in a Air India plane from Canada to India, bombed near Ireland, by Sikh separatists. Lets ban the turban, shall we?)

Esther said...

Sjoerd,

This might be true for the "most casualties in one terror attack" award, but when it comes to overall casualties and injured from terror attacks (which doesn't include of course the number of prevented terror attacks), I don't think the Sikhs are in first place at all.

Muslim terrorist tried blowing up the Twin Towers long before 9/11, they were just unsuccessful.

The question is not how many victims there are from a terror attack. The Oklahoma City bombing also took a very large toll. The question is if the perpetrator's community cheers the act.

Anonymous said...

Esther, I didn't say that either, and you're actually making my point for me (the Sikh comment here referred to something I wrote earlier about banning symbols): although it's not even whether what you call "the community" cheers an act, it's which part of the community perpetrates it - those need to be fought. Then it's which part cheers it, those need to be won over. And then its which part abhors it - those need to be helped as much as we can. Banning their symbols won't help in that fight.

Anonymous said...

... unless, of course, these symbols interfere with the law of the land; or unless you decide to ban all religious symbols from (certain) public spaces.

Anonymous said...

All religious dress & symbols should be banned from schools as in France. There is no need for them in a place of education. Burqas & Niqabs should also be banned. It is an insult to womanhood to have women dressed up in these ridiculous garbs. Would we allow people to walk around in chains because they said they enjoyed pleasing their master?

personalrep1 said...

GEERT WILDERS FILM: GOOD BUT MISSED A NUMBER OF VERY IMPORTANT POINTS

By
Larry Houle
www.godofreason.com
intermedusa@yahoo.com


Geert Wilders film while good failed to truly explain to the Hear No Evil, See No Evil, Do Nothing About Evil, Stupid Infidels the reality that All Muslims believe that the Koran is the Eternal divine word of God and must be obeyed without question. Most people think that the Koran is like the Old Testament. That Muslims can ignore the parts they don't like. The Muslims will tell the infidels what they all desperately want to hear - that the Koran is all peace and love and Osma bin Laden is an aberration and not a TRUE MUSLIM following the TRUE ISLAM.

But bin Laden is the TRUE ISLAM.

Wilders also did not include the 3 most important teachings of Islam : 9:5 – Extermination of all Non Believers i.e. infidels, 9:29 Extermination of all Christians and Jews and 9:111 – those Muslims who kill and are killed performing 9:5 and 9:29 will ascend to Paradise filled with full breasted, lustrous eyed virgins to sexually molest for all eternity. That 9/11 is Koran 9:111.

He should also have included a short statement describing the criminality of Muhammad.

That Muhammad was the First Nazi SS man. He ordered 60 massacres and personally was involved in 27 atrocities. At the massacre of the Jews of Banu Quraiza, Muhammad personally assisted in the beheading of 600 to 900 Jewish men. In order to distinguish between young Jewish boys and young Jewish men Muhammad ordered his murderous Muslim Jihadists to pull down their pants. Just the slightest traces of pubic hair and the young Jewish boy/man were beheaded. Their mothers and sisters were then raped by Muhammad and his Muslim men and either made into sex slaves or sold into slavery.

He needed to better explain that in Islam, deceit, torture, murder, assassination, massacre, genocide, pillage, robbery, enslavement and rape are halal (legal) acts, deserving of paradise, AS LONG AS THEY WERE PERPETRATED ON INFIDELS. These evil, immoral teachings became the ETERNAL LAWS OF ALLAH (the ANTI GOD)

That all Muslims believe the Koran is the Eternal divine word of God – the Eternal laws of God. All Muslims believe that God authored the Koran and a copy of the Koran is in heaven. The Koran remains for all Muslims, not just "fundamentalists," the uncreated word of God Himself. It is valid for all times and places forever; its ideas are absolutely true and beyond all criticism. To question it is to question the very word of God, and hence blasphemous. A Muslim's duty is to believe it and obey its divine commands without question.

That Muslims can be killed (beheaded) for doing any of the following:

Reviling Allah or his Messenger; (2) being sarcastic about 'Allah's name, His command, His interdiction, His promise, or His threat'; (3) denying any verse of the Quran or 'anything which by scholarly consensus belongs to it, or to add a verse that does not belong to it'; (4) holding that 'any of Allah's messengers or prophets are liars, or to deny their being sent'; (5) reviling the religion of Islam; (6) being sarcastic about any ruling of the Sacred Law; (7) denying that Allah intended 'the Prophet's message . . . to be the religion followed by the entire world.'

This means exactly what it says. ALL MUSLIMS BELIEVE that the Koran is the ETERNAL word/teachings of God to be followed without question. If a Muslim challenges or questions the Koran, HE IS NO LONGER A MUSLIM BUT AN APOSTATE OF ISLAM and can be killed.

The cold hard evil reality - the Koran can never be changed not even one word. When you are reading teachings of the Koran, you are reading the word of God himself and you must OBEY. THERE IS NO CHOICE. There is no exercising free will, no employing logic, reason, rationality, morality. These teachings are for all time - FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER.

This is the most important insanity that ALL Muslims believe – THAT MEANS ALL MUSLIMS. This belief in the KORNIC ETERNAL LAWS OF GOD is a disaster that has the potential to destroy humanity and civilization as we know it.

MURDERING INFIDELS AS AN ETERNAL LAW OF GOD

9:5 When the sacred months have passed away, THEN SLAY THE IDOLATERS (unbelievers) WHEREVER YOU FIND THEM, AND TAKE THEM CAPTIVES AND BESIEGE THEM AND LIE IN WAIT FOR THEM IN EVERY AMBUSH, then if they repent and keep up prayer [become believers] and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them

This is the notorious VERSE OF THE SWORD. 9:50 abolishes ALL peace teachings from the Koran. God is commanding as a holy duty the EXTERMINATION OF ALL INFIDELS FROM FACE OF THE EARTH.

9:29 Fight those who believe not in God nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, (even if they are) of the people of the Book [Christians and Jews], until they pay the jizya [poll tax] with willing submission, feel themselves subdued.”

This verse means EXACTLY WHAT IT MEANS. Convert to Islam, or pay a devastating submission tax or BE MURDERED.

For those Muslims who slay and are slain in fulfilling the above teachings, murdering Infidels, they are GUARANTEED accession to a sexual Paradise filled with full breasted, lustrous eyed eyes virgins who re – generate as virgins after each sex act to sexually molest for all eternity.

THIS IS TRUE INSANITY


EVIL PARADISE

An evil Paradise of big breasted, big eyed Hurs to be sexually molested for all eternity as a reward for those who slay and are slain in the service of God.

9:111 “Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden (Paradise) will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain”

"As for the righteous (Muslims)...We (Allah) shall wed them to beautiful virgins with lustrous eyes" - Q 44:51-54

The reason 3000 people were massacred on 9/11 was because GOD COMMANDED THE MASSACRE. THOSE WHO BUTCHERED THESE PEOPLE WILL ASCEND TO PARADISE. ALL MUSLIMS BELIEVE THIS INSANITY

Another 5/7 minutes and Wilders would have better explained the horrendous evil of Islam.

Beside the images of women been tortured and killed - he should have added Koran 24:2 The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by God, if ye believe in God and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.

This verse leaves no other option for Muslims who believe in the divine origin of the Quran. It specifically says they must not have mercy on people who have committed adultery or fornication, and that this brutal punishment of 100 lashes is "prescribed by God

That there are no moderate Muslims because in order to be a moderate Muslim you would have to renounce teachings like 9:5, 9;29, 9:111 but if a Muslim renounces just one word of the Koran HE IS NO LONGER A MUSLIM BUT AN APOSTATE OF ISLAM AND WILL BE MURDERED.

Unfortunately, the film will not have the lasting impact it could have had.

Islam is EVIL IN THE NAME OF GOD

Anonymous said...

sjoerd, the link didn't work for me.

- Mike

Anonymous said...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uPxJ5NdELyo

Here is the perfect example of a "moderate mulsim" using 'taqiya'. He sounds all warm and fuzzy but it doesn't take long to find out how he really feels in the comment section....

The creator of the video writes...


"...alhabon (1 week ago) Show Hide

but you like that so that they become easy and cheap for you to enjoy. look how many whores do you have in non-islamic societies! go to google and see. how many webcam girls! shame on you ..."

&

"...alhabon (1 week ago) Show Hide

polygamy is the beste solution for surplus of women. a Married woman has rights of inheritance and other ligaal things..."

After he sees the negative reaction to him, he more or less stops his responses because he saw it hurt his lying about peace. Sjoerd, you may buy it, but I don't, at all.


Lastly, this response and reply about saudi arabia...

someone writes...

"...Saudi society doesn't even let women drive in certain places, or mingle with people that aren't their relative or husband. It treats them as second class citizens. I choose freedom for men and women instead. There will be good and bad in free societies. It's human nature. You deal with it the best you can, but at least people are free..."

he replies...

"...alhabon (1 week ago) Show Hide

of course saudi government is wrong, but at least they do care for their women and they are preserved they don't need to sell their dingnity to feed their childeren,
peace..."

Preserved?

Yes, even saudi arabia is viewed as righteous by this "moderate muslim". Wake up people.

- Mike

Anonymous said...

Some Dutchmen still have their balls and sense of humor.
http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/2008/04/sorry-for-film-fitna.html