Disputed Amsterdam Mosque El Tawheed wants to establish an Islamic state also in the Netherlands. The mosque apparently made that clear to the Amsterdam police after a row about hate-inciting literature.
Former commissioner Peter Slot, currently employed at the Dutch embassy in the US as liaisons officer for the police, revealed that in a conference in Washington on radical Islam. Slort spoke about a closed session he had with the mosque administration after a commotion about a book calling to throw homos off tall buildings.
The administration of El Tawheed refused to renounce it. Slot: "they told me: ultimately our goal is an Islamic society, also in the Netherlands."
Source: Telegraaf (Dutch)
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If they're (de Telegraaf) basing this claim of an Islamic "state" upon this statement: Ze vertelden mij: uiteindelijk is ons ideaal een islamitische maatschappij, ook in Nederland." then it's a blatant mischaracterization of what he said. An Islamic "society" isn't the same as a "state."
Is there some other source for this statement? If not, this is typically irresponsible journalism characteristic of De Telegraaf.
So wich one do you want to live in,an islamic society or an islamic state??!
Don`t you see that your comment is pointless?
No matter how you look at it,the muslims want to take over and if you don`t stand up,you will lose your country
"An Islamic 'society' isn't the same as a 'state.'" ????
You need to remember that what is important is not how you or I interpret the meaning of the word 'society' versus 'state' - but what he intended it to mean.
Clearly not inaccurate or irresponsible journalism when his actual meaning is clear - an Islamic Caliphate dominating all of Europe, and the world.
Hi Dee,
I will try to see about another source, but assuming this story is correct: can you explain the difference between 'society' and 'state' in this context?
I feel sorry for citizens of the Netherlands. However, you have to blame yourselves for allowing criminals, yes criminals, to immigrate to your country.
It is only a matter of time - the ball is on motion and if the politically correct crowd is to afraid to stand up they will soon be at the recieving end of Islamic ideals! The day is coming when the politically crowd will be in a society dominated by those who feel it is better to repress them then let them speak out once they have achieved their objective! Then the political correct crowd will be screaming for likes of a Bush type character to save them. This is real people and I am not stating you should treat others poorly but take a look at the fear people have of radical Islam now! They will not speak out against it out of fear of repraisal imagine the day when they are the majority. Laugh at me now but if the current trend continues we will see who the one laughing will be.
Europeans had better wake up before they are outnumbered in their own countries, here is what awaits them, it will be as bad or even worse than the Third Reich.
http://thereligionofpeace.com/
If they want to live in an islamic country, why the hell did they move from one into a western culture country? Head back to one of those strict islamic countries, and then all are satisfied.
Islam is winning, in Europe you are loosing freedom of speech. Countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia can influence the whole Europe. So Islam is slowly taking control. You see what is happening in Holland. Muslims immigrated to Europe because they were not happy with what they had in countries ruled by sharia. But to-day they want to change the whole Europe. Can you say anything against Iran, Saudi Arabia, Maldives on religious freedom, no. But Muslim countries are forcing Europe to follow Islam. The devil will always wins and it is happening right in front of us.
I think theres enough room in the middle east and they should go there if they want a seperate state .
How dare they even think they can now landlock an area of the land of netherlands.
I find it disgusting . Give an inch and they want a mile.
those islamofascists here listen to me I am from india but highly intelligent enough to absorb appreciate and adore freedom, while you fascist arab boys want to control your women and children by all kinds of animalistic behavior. Me a young girl from free India challenge you no day will islam rule the world ask saddam hussein .. you guys like to control your wives in the name of honor because you are not t real men they circumcise you hjas that got anything to do with your slimy neanderthal dead ideas?
Freethinkers of this world will slam islam anyday and kick it to the arabian gulf if it tries to mess with human rights.
Society is comprised of the cultural characteristics embraced by a group of people, whereas state is comprised of rules and regulations, to which the masses are held accountable. They are two different things.
In fact, while the US would like to think of itself as a Christian nation, if it was upon this literal interpretation, one would find themselves also in some judicial hot water for adultery.
The use of the word "state" in this translation into English is in my opinion another attempt to vilify Islam.
Society is the spirit of the law, whereas state is the letter of the law, a great difference. Yet this person clearly used the word "maatschappij" which translated is "society." Had he intended to state that he wanted the Netherlands to become a Muslim state, he would have said so.
Hi Dee,
re my translation, note that in the article itself, I translated 'society'.
"they told me: ultimately our goal is an Islamic society, also in the Netherlands."
However, I do notice now that I mistranslated. It should be 'ultimately our ideal is an Islamic society'.
My headline is based on the headline used by De Telegraaf (Moskee: Nederland moslimstaat maken) [Mosque: Make the Netherlands into a Muslim state].
According to your definition, turning Dutch society into an Islamic one, is even worse than 'just' having Islamic law. It's changing the very nature of society. I don't see why you would think that would be any less 'vilifying' than having Islamic law.
As to your claim about De Telegraph, I am trying to get confirmation about this meeting in Washington.
While I can't step inside this person's head, I think the ideal of an Islamic society is most likely to be offered as a positive statement, a society that embraces the spirit of Islam, the spirit of all major religions; peace, love, respect and mutual understanding.
This would be a bad thing in the Netherlands?
I am not doubting your translation, more the translation of De Telegraaf, which is takes an antagonistic approach to immigrants, migrants, foreigners and allochtonen who live in the Netherlands (of which I am one).
Islam is not like other religions. The only religion similar to Islam is Judaism. This is the religion that Muhammad stole all his ideas from. Judaism is basically a tribal religion for Jewish people. Jews do not proselytise. It is very difficult to become a member of the jewish faith. Muhammad took a tribal religion asnd turned it into a global religion.
The aim of islam is domination of the faith. It wants everyone to be muslim or to be subject to islam. You only have to examine Islamic imperialism in every country it has conqured to see this. Islam has committed more atrocites than any other religion and Islamic rule has been one of dhimmitude and repression.
The record of christianity is not very good but in christianity there is a separation of religion and state. This does not exist in Islam. Islam is not really a religion. It is more a political party with allah as its leader.
I do not think the Netherlands needs to become islamic to become peace . They were very peaceful and wonderful , the only violence perpetuators there in this isuue are the islamofascits parking there for naught.
yes
u know wot!!!
im happy that islam is takin over the over and about time to...
well done muslims keep up the good work...
may God be with u...ameen
My friend islam will still raise in every where you know why?
because it is the truth if you want to hear your people voice to know why they enter islam go here www.turntoislam.com this site was made by your people to make others see the truth before they gone i hope you see this site because it will help you and forgive me for my bad english
You believe in a man who went into a cave and said god spoke to him. What proof do you have? None. What miracles did he perform? None. What original teaching did he give? None.
All you have is a rehashed version of the Bible that is so badly written that even arabic speakers cannot make sense of it. It has no chronological order. Someone said how shall we put it together. And someone replied 'Let's put the large chapters at the beginning and the small chapters at the end.
I'm afraid your religion is a joke. The reason muslims get so upset about people making jokes about it is they know themselves it has no foundation.
It is like the Emperor's clothes. Everyone knows the emperor is naked but they are all frightened to tell him.
Islam. YOU ARE NAKED.
Do you think a deceiver like Muhh_a_MAD , a pedofil, raper of slaves, enslaver, killer, psihopat fucking monster will gonna role the world? HEHEHE!!! Over my dead body!o
Hi Dee,
I live in Australia and I just had the experience of being accused by a lecturer of religious discrimination just because I called Mohammed what he was - a rapist, paedophile, genocidal murderer, liar and treaty breaker and stated that the press is too cowardly to report the truth because they are afraid of getting their heads blown off. My comments were made anonymously and were described as nasty by a tutor to someone else who asked about my comments. I was just stating the truth! I then objectively called for balance in the application of hate crime laws without referring to anyone or any organisation and that along with my previous strong but truthful comment was deleted and called religious discrimination. We also have hate crime legislation in the state of Victoria which I don't live in, but anyone outside that state but in Australia can be arrested and charged with violating it.
Hey Nowonmai,
I don't mean to patronise you but the reason the Muslims want to live in a non-Islamic country is either they don't like living in an Islamic country or they are trying to convert the rest of the World. That's their aim. It's in their evil books that the World belongs to the false god Allah who is not the same as the God of the Bible.
If they have won any territory and they lose it like they did with Spain they will fight tooth and nail to regain it.
Check out Robert Spencer's Jihad Watch web site and his materials and those by Walid Shoebat a former Muslim P.L.O. terrorist turned Christian. Also Bat Ye'or's books. You will learn a lot from these people and others.
Also the movie Obsession is worth watchng. Oh, and Melanie Phillips wrote a very good book called "Londonistan" about the problematic Muslim population of London and the way the London authorities have dealt with the problems resulting from them.
These materials are must reads and must watch's.
They are truly politically incorrect and tell you the truth.
Shop around though. Not every place that sells them is cheap.
Walid Shoebat's website is a good place to buy stuff from and his books are dynamite as are his D.V.D.s.
You'll learn a lot from them.
ALL this is BULL!! ALL of it!! y'al need gro the fuck up!!
One thing that is being mixed here is ISLAM and ARABS/PERSIANS.. they so called live under the rules of Koran. It is the people that are fanatical not Islam that made them this way.
Islam is an very peacful religion with clear messages of how an good human should live.
You have 3 muslim countries in Europe, that is Albania, Bosnia, and Kosova.
If you travel to any of these countries you will see that they behave in the exact same way as the rest of Europe. Why do you think its like that? Because we live in EUROPE as Europeans with our own opinions in religion and faith. We read the same Koran as the arabs. But its our mentallity that is different.
I think that you should be able to practice your religion and beliefs in any place in the world however it pleases you.
Its wrong of you to say that muslims that emigrate to Europe should not be wearing the veil for instance.
But also I DO agree with you about women travelling to Arab nations should be able to do it without the veil if they please so.
Fuck you
Attention les chrétiens envahissent les pays arabes , ils faut les chasser à coup de bites
im muslim n i love to prevail islam all over the world
thats gr8
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