Netherlands: How many Bouyeris live in the Netherlands?
On November 2nd the Netherlands will mark five years to the murder of Theo van Gogh. The following is a translation of an interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali, published in Dutch newspaper Het Parool on October 31, 2009, as part of a series of interviews marking the occasion:
She didn't know Theo very well. They had met each other twice, and had many phone conversations, when they worked on Submission. The short film, which displayed the cruel oppression of women in Islam, was for her a statement, and fit Theo as a provocation; and heralded the death of the village fool who did not want any protection. "It would have been a good friendship, if he was still alive."
The sturdy men stayed outside outside, but she's at ease and we begin by sinning: white wine. Yellow polo, black pants, casual chic, with her figure and charisma she can walk the catwalk. She appears fragile but also radiates great strength. Her voice is shy, a confusing combination with what she says. It's easy to understand why older Hague men, in some way, want to embrace her, she's a charming person. Unspoiled by a bizarre life, a roller-coaster between the Somali desert and the top circles of Washington, where others don't get to within four lifetimes. And in fourteen days she'll be forty.
She's considered worldwide as an important critic of Islam, in particular of the oppressed role of women in that religion, of which she herself - abused, circumcised, married off - received her portion. For this reason she was shunted aside as 'biased', but as an academic she knows the hard facts on her side.
The murder of Theo van Gogh naturally, which she considers the Dutch 9/11, the worldwide terror in the name of Allah, the shelters full of Muslim women, honor murders with no end, and the involvement of Muslims in two thirds of all armed conflicts in the world. And all that because the word of the prophet is infallible, which makes self-reflection impossible and holds Islam to misunderstood truths from the 7th century. Whoever dares to criticize, awaits the sword of lifelong protection. "Muslims are very capable of getting organized when they feel insulted, but never when terrorism is committed on their behalf." The invocation "Islam is peace", the selective interpretation by people who justify and by Obama in Cairo, she can't hear it anymore.
Hirsi Ali, after a stormy carrier as a VVD parliament member, has been a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) in Washington, a right-wing think-tank, where the leading principle is: the government should be as small as possible. IN her own field, Islam and the West, Islam and the woman, it's not applicable, and outside her subject matter she can think what she wants about atheism (good), gay marriage (do it), abortion and euthanaisa (under certain circumstances). "The opinions in my field fit well at AEI, the data that I show satisfies them. It's not ideological, it's scientific."
The Dutch have become quiet about her, and she really thinks that's good. "I've stayed out of the picture deliberately. As parliamentarian, you must constantly go to the public, but I've said my part in the Netherlands. My angle was the long term, invest in the emancipation of women, with visible returns in the next generation. It's too early to say what the result would be, but there's radicalization ongoing in the leftist parties and the Dutch people now look right through the opportunists."
After the murder of Theo van Gogh, which still causes her guilt and anger, the public debate quickly shriveled up: hardened participants such as Paul Cliteur and her friend Leon de Winter, but also others, drew back: "All those people thought: I don't want to be murdered. There was always the trust that the rule of law would do its work, but they've been betrayed. Their silence is not the result of the murder, but of the failure of the rule of law. Remkes, Donner, Cohen, all those people should have resigned recognizing that they had disappointed."
They've all seen Submission, some on teh first showing, they knew what's coming up. Theo who wanted nothing, was offered four days of protection, and I , who already had protection, didn't get any more. They were not, with all the AIVD activity and all the wire-tapping, capable of stopping the culprit. They should have protected Theo against his will, but no, they were completely incompetent. No wonder that Dutch don't feel safe in this debate".
After her studies in political science in Leiden she planned to finally start 'a regular life'. But at the Wiardi Beckman foundation (WBS), the PvdA think-tank, the theme of immigration & Islam was inevitable.
"Paul Kalma (then WBS director) told me: we are a think-tank, we need answers here, now! Later you may do something else." Pim Fortuyn became active, the PvdA had to come up with something."
"I told Kalma: 'everybody thinks that the cause and solution of the migrant problem is in social-economic factors, but the social-cultural factor, Islam, comes up just every now and then. While I think it's about that.' I was the most junior person there, but 9/11 turned everything on its head.
"There was a paradoxical request from me: 'I may not play into Fortuyn's hands, but they did want to hear everything I had to say, namely that we shouldn't talk about integration, but about civilization of Islam. And from a junior assistant I suddenly became an icon. Page length interviews, the media and the voters were very happy with a new voice and as long as I was by the PvdA, I was the holy Maria, except among power-politicians such as Klaas de Vries and Ad Melkert, who wanted to nothing to do with it. People who used such words as cosmopolitan and multicultural and such - but had no faith in them.
Also for PvdA multiculturalists such as Khadija Arib, Nebahat Albayrak or Fatima Elatik, she doesn't have many good words. 'They have, just as I have, found their way out of the labyrinth, but they became spokespeople for a group for which they can't speak. They talk about confinement, marrying off, genital mutilation, but they've never had to deal with it, are not part of that community and have no idea. They took my criticism of Islam very badly, and meanwhile they enjoy a freedom that they keep from others. I was a racist, and meanwhile they thought exclusively in terms of subsidies with which they can keep the mores of Islam. And if something happens, such as the murder of Theo, then it never has to do with Islam."
"After the murder is became clear that there was a very nasty confrontation between Islam and the ethnic [white] population. There's no point in denying it, you could measure it in the support for Wilders. People don't vote for him because of the Turkish acceptance [into the EU] or the AOW [pension], it's about a justifiable problem with Islam. Politicians of the established order choose to ignore that; as soon as they get to the Hague it becomes their world. Wilders is good for the Netherlands, he leads a good opposition. I've had nothing further to do with him, but i now the most important voice on the most important problem in the Netherlands. Taxing headscarves is ridiculous naturally, but what do the PvdA, CDA, VVD do? They don't want to talk about it."
She doesn't think Wilders will get to power. "He'll be written off, just like the LPF [Fortuyn's party]".
By the VVD, who roped her in as parliament member, she found shelter in 2003. It's still her party, she sees herself as a classic liberal. "I'm ideologically completely at home in the VVD, but the party should broach the problems with Islam. There should be good protection for the debaters so that people such as Hans Jansen and Paul Kliteur could do their work, for immigration people should embrace the rule of law contractually and the Islamic schools should be shut down. There they radicalize in isolation, there backwardness is kept up at the expense of the taxpayer. There something completely different takes place than in the Jewish or Christian schools."
In the book Infidel, her splendid autobiography, she describes the sad months after the murder, a period of fleeing and hiding, the filthy hotels, the isolation in which she landed. And not long afterward she had to leave her house (the neighbors feared an attack), her Dutch passport became a topic of discussion (she had 'lied' when entering the Netherlands, the cabinet was surprised), and finally - when she had already fled to America - the Netherlands refused to pay for her protection any longer.
She has used the term 'badgered away', but at the same time she regrets it, says she has warm feelings for the country that made her development possible. "But it wasn't proper. My protection was stopped with scandalous arguments, you could therefore count on safety only for a short time. I had to suspend my lawsuit against the state because the money has run out. All the money, mine, my sponsors' and the AEI's goes towards private protection. A very effective strategy to shut people up. while: we are not dangerous, the radical Muslims are dangerous."
"During his sentencing Bouyeri said: My God instructed me to do this. How many Bouyeris live in the Netherlands? Shortly after the murder of Theo the number of radical Muslims was estimated at 5%, that is 5,000 young men. Here the discussion is now ongoing about sending 40,000 extra troops to the Afghanistan. In the Netherlands it's therefore a whole army unit! I take it very seriously, even if they're in various levels of radicalization. It's a danger for the safety, for the culture and for the identity. Netherlands should be much more firm in protecting its own self-respect."
She's staying in American, her new home. She's now working on a book "Nomad", that will appear in the Netherlands in March, a follow up to "Infidel". "I will describe the pattern of how people on my topic are pushed out of the system." She won't divulge anymore about her publisher. And on 20th street the armored car is waiting.
On November 2nd the Netherlands will mark five years to the murder of Theo van Gogh. The following is a translation of an interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali, published in Dutch newspaper Het Parool on October 31, 2009, as part of a series of interviews marking the occasion:
She didn't know Theo very well. They had met each other twice, and had many phone conversations, when they worked on Submission. The short film, which displayed the cruel oppression of women in Islam, was for her a statement, and fit Theo as a provocation; and heralded the death of the village fool who did not want any protection. "It would have been a good friendship, if he was still alive."
The sturdy men stayed outside outside, but she's at ease and we begin by sinning: white wine. Yellow polo, black pants, casual chic, with her figure and charisma she can walk the catwalk. She appears fragile but also radiates great strength. Her voice is shy, a confusing combination with what she says. It's easy to understand why older Hague men, in some way, want to embrace her, she's a charming person. Unspoiled by a bizarre life, a roller-coaster between the Somali desert and the top circles of Washington, where others don't get to within four lifetimes. And in fourteen days she'll be forty.
She's considered worldwide as an important critic of Islam, in particular of the oppressed role of women in that religion, of which she herself - abused, circumcised, married off - received her portion. For this reason she was shunted aside as 'biased', but as an academic she knows the hard facts on her side.
The murder of Theo van Gogh naturally, which she considers the Dutch 9/11, the worldwide terror in the name of Allah, the shelters full of Muslim women, honor murders with no end, and the involvement of Muslims in two thirds of all armed conflicts in the world. And all that because the word of the prophet is infallible, which makes self-reflection impossible and holds Islam to misunderstood truths from the 7th century. Whoever dares to criticize, awaits the sword of lifelong protection. "Muslims are very capable of getting organized when they feel insulted, but never when terrorism is committed on their behalf." The invocation "Islam is peace", the selective interpretation by people who justify and by Obama in Cairo, she can't hear it anymore.
Hirsi Ali, after a stormy carrier as a VVD parliament member, has been a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) in Washington, a right-wing think-tank, where the leading principle is: the government should be as small as possible. IN her own field, Islam and the West, Islam and the woman, it's not applicable, and outside her subject matter she can think what she wants about atheism (good), gay marriage (do it), abortion and euthanaisa (under certain circumstances). "The opinions in my field fit well at AEI, the data that I show satisfies them. It's not ideological, it's scientific."
The Dutch have become quiet about her, and she really thinks that's good. "I've stayed out of the picture deliberately. As parliamentarian, you must constantly go to the public, but I've said my part in the Netherlands. My angle was the long term, invest in the emancipation of women, with visible returns in the next generation. It's too early to say what the result would be, but there's radicalization ongoing in the leftist parties and the Dutch people now look right through the opportunists."
After the murder of Theo van Gogh, which still causes her guilt and anger, the public debate quickly shriveled up: hardened participants such as Paul Cliteur and her friend Leon de Winter, but also others, drew back: "All those people thought: I don't want to be murdered. There was always the trust that the rule of law would do its work, but they've been betrayed. Their silence is not the result of the murder, but of the failure of the rule of law. Remkes, Donner, Cohen, all those people should have resigned recognizing that they had disappointed."
They've all seen Submission, some on teh first showing, they knew what's coming up. Theo who wanted nothing, was offered four days of protection, and I , who already had protection, didn't get any more. They were not, with all the AIVD activity and all the wire-tapping, capable of stopping the culprit. They should have protected Theo against his will, but no, they were completely incompetent. No wonder that Dutch don't feel safe in this debate".
After her studies in political science in Leiden she planned to finally start 'a regular life'. But at the Wiardi Beckman foundation (WBS), the PvdA think-tank, the theme of immigration & Islam was inevitable.
"Paul Kalma (then WBS director) told me: we are a think-tank, we need answers here, now! Later you may do something else." Pim Fortuyn became active, the PvdA had to come up with something."
"I told Kalma: 'everybody thinks that the cause and solution of the migrant problem is in social-economic factors, but the social-cultural factor, Islam, comes up just every now and then. While I think it's about that.' I was the most junior person there, but 9/11 turned everything on its head.
"There was a paradoxical request from me: 'I may not play into Fortuyn's hands, but they did want to hear everything I had to say, namely that we shouldn't talk about integration, but about civilization of Islam. And from a junior assistant I suddenly became an icon. Page length interviews, the media and the voters were very happy with a new voice and as long as I was by the PvdA, I was the holy Maria, except among power-politicians such as Klaas de Vries and Ad Melkert, who wanted to nothing to do with it. People who used such words as cosmopolitan and multicultural and such - but had no faith in them.
Also for PvdA multiculturalists such as Khadija Arib, Nebahat Albayrak or Fatima Elatik, she doesn't have many good words. 'They have, just as I have, found their way out of the labyrinth, but they became spokespeople for a group for which they can't speak. They talk about confinement, marrying off, genital mutilation, but they've never had to deal with it, are not part of that community and have no idea. They took my criticism of Islam very badly, and meanwhile they enjoy a freedom that they keep from others. I was a racist, and meanwhile they thought exclusively in terms of subsidies with which they can keep the mores of Islam. And if something happens, such as the murder of Theo, then it never has to do with Islam."
"After the murder is became clear that there was a very nasty confrontation between Islam and the ethnic [white] population. There's no point in denying it, you could measure it in the support for Wilders. People don't vote for him because of the Turkish acceptance [into the EU] or the AOW [pension], it's about a justifiable problem with Islam. Politicians of the established order choose to ignore that; as soon as they get to the Hague it becomes their world. Wilders is good for the Netherlands, he leads a good opposition. I've had nothing further to do with him, but i now the most important voice on the most important problem in the Netherlands. Taxing headscarves is ridiculous naturally, but what do the PvdA, CDA, VVD do? They don't want to talk about it."
She doesn't think Wilders will get to power. "He'll be written off, just like the LPF [Fortuyn's party]".
By the VVD, who roped her in as parliament member, she found shelter in 2003. It's still her party, she sees herself as a classic liberal. "I'm ideologically completely at home in the VVD, but the party should broach the problems with Islam. There should be good protection for the debaters so that people such as Hans Jansen and Paul Kliteur could do their work, for immigration people should embrace the rule of law contractually and the Islamic schools should be shut down. There they radicalize in isolation, there backwardness is kept up at the expense of the taxpayer. There something completely different takes place than in the Jewish or Christian schools."
In the book Infidel, her splendid autobiography, she describes the sad months after the murder, a period of fleeing and hiding, the filthy hotels, the isolation in which she landed. And not long afterward she had to leave her house (the neighbors feared an attack), her Dutch passport became a topic of discussion (she had 'lied' when entering the Netherlands, the cabinet was surprised), and finally - when she had already fled to America - the Netherlands refused to pay for her protection any longer.
She has used the term 'badgered away', but at the same time she regrets it, says she has warm feelings for the country that made her development possible. "But it wasn't proper. My protection was stopped with scandalous arguments, you could therefore count on safety only for a short time. I had to suspend my lawsuit against the state because the money has run out. All the money, mine, my sponsors' and the AEI's goes towards private protection. A very effective strategy to shut people up. while: we are not dangerous, the radical Muslims are dangerous."
"During his sentencing Bouyeri said: My God instructed me to do this. How many Bouyeris live in the Netherlands? Shortly after the murder of Theo the number of radical Muslims was estimated at 5%, that is 5,000 young men. Here the discussion is now ongoing about sending 40,000 extra troops to the Afghanistan. In the Netherlands it's therefore a whole army unit! I take it very seriously, even if they're in various levels of radicalization. It's a danger for the safety, for the culture and for the identity. Netherlands should be much more firm in protecting its own self-respect."
She's staying in American, her new home. She's now working on a book "Nomad", that will appear in the Netherlands in March, a follow up to "Infidel". "I will describe the pattern of how people on my topic are pushed out of the system." She won't divulge anymore about her publisher. And on 20th street the armored car is waiting.
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