UK: Muslim demands

Supposedly moderate Muslim leaders in the UK came up with new demands in a meeting with gov't officials. Apparently they think you can tackle extremism in the Muslim community by having UK laws conform to the Sharia.

Muslim politicians condemned the idea, saying it would both fuel division and be impossible to manage.

This article throws around concepts without any regard to what it's talking about. For example, I really doubt that the Muslim leaders asked for stonings in the UK. It is much more probable that they would like inheritance laws to follow Sharia.

Muslim leaders summoned to talks with the Government on tackling extremism in their midst called for public holidays to mark their religious festivals.

The Whitehall meeting was set up in response to last week's airline bomb plot discovery.
Communities Secretary Ruth Kelly had prepared an uncompromising message on the need to tackle dangerous radicalism.

But, in what she admitted were 'sharp' exchanges, some senior Muslim figures turned the tables yesterday and made a series of demands which also included the introduction of Sharia law for family matters.

Dr Syed Aziz Pasha, secretary general of the Union of Muslim Organisations of the UK and Ireland, said: 'We told her if you give us religious rights, we will be in a better position to convince young people that they are being treated equally along with other citizens.'

Dr Pasha said Miss Kelly had agreed to look at the proposals, though her spokesman insisted later that she did not favour any legal change which would give 'special treatment' for the Muslim community.

Some of the 30 moderate Muslim leaders at the meeting told Miss Kelly that important days in their two main religious festivals - Ramadan and Eid-ul-Adha - should be made public holidays for followers of the faith.

Sharia law, which is practised in large parts of the Middle East, should also be introduced in Britain, they argued. While it specifies stonings and amputations as routine punishments for crimes, Dr Pasha said he wanted it only for family affairs.

Under the law, a husband pays his wife a dowry on marriage, and money and assets are shared out between family members in specified amounts after someone dies.

'We are willing to co-operate but there should be a partnership,' Dr Pasha said. 'They should understand our problems then we will understand their problems.'

The Muslims do have a problem, just as many Jews do. What do you do on religious holidays which are not considered state holidays? Jews do not work on the Sabbath, which starts off on sunset Friday and ends after sunset Saturday. What do Jews do in Northern Europe during the winter, when the Sabbath might start in the middle of the work day, you might wonder? It is a very good question. Apparently, the Jewish community found a way to deal with the extremism caused by this complete lack of understanding on the part of the general population.

Many of these demands can be easily dealt with the on the individual level. A husband wants to give his wife a dowry? What stops him? A family wants to give inheritance according to their religious beliefs? That's what a will is for. You want to take time off for religious reasons? Talk to your boss and do it on your own expense.

I suppose that's what many people do. It's not easy, but then - nobody said being religious and upholding your convictions in a different society is easy. There are many places around the world where being Muslim is easy.

Sources: Daily Mail (English), Life Style Extra (English). Hat tip, LGF


nouille said...

This is shaping up to be a test for all of the U.K. I worry the English may be too self loathing to stand the test. Political correctness run amok.

Will islamic countries make Jewish and Christian public holidays? I think not, this is more hypocrisy.

nouille said...

WTF???Sharia law, which is practised in large parts of the Middle East, should also be introduced in Britain, they argued. While it specifies stonings and amputations as routine punishments for crimes, Dr Pasha said he wanted it only for family affairs.

And Europe calls US barbaric??? I can just see it now, public hangings in the Grote Market!

Esther said...

that's why i think this article didn't present things clearly. I really doubt that they said they want stonings for family law. Probably, what they said was that they would like family law to go according to Sharia law. That is, if you're Muslim, you'll marry according to Muslim law.

Thing is, nobody's stopping them now. I've read in the past that when it comes to inheritance laws, the Muslims have a problem because if they want to go by Sharia law, they're forced to pay lots of taxes that otherwise they wouldn't have to pay.

It's interesting, though, that this meeting went in the direction it did. What the gov't officials should have said was: your community has betrayed our trust. We have treated Muslim immigrants like any other citizen. You ahve equal rights and obligations and yet many of your young people yearn only to bring down our culture. What are *you* going to do in order to make sure the Muslim community is seen as equal partners in our society?

Anonymous said...

Sharia law for family matters?? Do you reaslise tat seemingly innocent request means that forced marriages would the be legal here?

My friend is muslim and the family treat her sickeningly because she had the audacity to get a degree and join a profession instead of doing as she was told and slave for a man who beat her regularly! Shes a doctor now... but every now and then the family come to see her and threaten her with violence and once even death! Shria law would make this abominable behavious legal!! My god what is happening to this country?? The lunatics are indeed running the asylum!!

Esther said...

Hi anonymous,

Sharia law for family matters is not an innocent request at all. I just doubt that's what they really said.

This entire discussion shouldn't have been allowed to proceed the way it did.

The UK gov't epresentative "played along" by agreeing to discuss the issue at all. This was supposed to be a discussion of what the Muslim community can do to reduce terrorism and it should have stayed on that track.

By bringing up their demands, I think the Muslim representatives turned the discussion around and changed it into a bargaining table (you want y, we demand x, let's start bringing down the price)

By agreeing to discuss their demands, even if their demands won't be met, the UK representative showed that they're agreeing to bargain.

There should be no excuse for terrorism. There should be no reason why any British born person would get up in the morning and blow up a bus or subway.

The Muslim community needs to prove that they're loyal citizens at this point, not the other way around.